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Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
12/23/99
Maureen Startin Executive Director Orca Quest and mnd:
The only place I see your name or your organization's name is in the post you placed yourself--presuming of course you are the one who posted that.
mnd--I will not apologize to Maureen for something she herself posted. (presuming she did make the post under her name)
mnd
mnd@whaledom.com
12/22/99
mr. keith hunter...
finding myself home due to a bout with pneumonia, i found i had more than enuf time to read some of the posts on the 3 whaling lists that i belong to. in one of the posts made by you, you put the link to this site and i checked it out to see what all was being posted here. after reading your post to Ms. Anthropologist, and knowing the lady in question, i contacted her and directed her to this site to see your post. I think you owe her an apology...cuz I know she wouldnt play these stupid little games that some others seem to be doing. She doesnt have the time nor the interest. i'm only posting this so you know how she came to post a rebuttal to your post. you know you have been a real disappointment to me. I thought I had learned something of value from you but I see now that I was taught nothing as your actions demonstrate otherwise. i've watched and read with surprise how you continuously post inflammatory rhetoric about paul watson and sscs...seems to me you should stop and think about your own actions and your own agenda.
mnd
Maureen Startin
OrcaQuest@aol.com
12/22/99
Kii yaa tuk:
Your posting to Ms. Anthropologist I must assume was directed at me. So I shall respond.
1. I am not afraid to identify myself. PERIOD!!!
2. I have NOT posted on any lists, I am not a member of them, nor have I posted here until this very moment. So where you get off on attacking me as you have is beyond me. I have always made myself perfectly clear to you. The only mention on "not answering e-mails" was in a bloody e-mail. So if there is someone out there "pretending" to be me, I would sure like to know who tjey are ... because they are libeling me and misrepresenting me. I don't take things like that lightly.
As to my neutrality, I do my best to remain neutral. I have never hidded the fact that I am anti-whaling. As for anything else, well, I am quite confused as to what you are referring.
Quite frankly, I think you spend a tremendous amount of time throwing fuel on the fire rather than working at resolution from what I have SEEN by what is sent to me from others.
And for those of you out there who may be posting using my name, or something I might have said, I would pass on a word of warning ... that is fraud. And once again, I don't take it lightly.
As for you Kii yaa tuk, I would respectfully request that you refrain from putting my name, and then posting to Ms. Anthropologist, to anything which DOES NOT contain my name. If I have something to say on one of these things I WILL identify myself. I am not afraid.
I think you have reached a point of no return -- and your imagination is running wild!!!
There are far more constructive things to do with one's time than sit at a computer all day posting and waging war on the internet. At least for me there is. I have meetings with Legislators ... and other ways of being politically active. I engaged in e-mail conversations with you ONLY ... but must now question the prudence of that.
Don't attack me with nasty words or anything else unless you have PROOF it is me ... lest you find yourself in a position you don't want to be in.
Thank you!!!
Maureen Startin Executive Director Orca Quest
I hope this is enough identity for you Keith.
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
12/22/99
The SSCS new website layout is back on line. I spoke to the SSCS regarding this today and was told that none of the articles by Kundu would be placed back on line. This is in addition to the removal of the Out of the Mist exhibit. I again asked that the sites containing reference to Wounded Knee be removed and was told that Paul Watson does stand by his presence there, but that these pages would be reviewed as to their relevancy to their opposition to the issue of whaling.
Also I was told that prior to any of their pages going back on line that they were doing a page by page review to examine the content of the page in an attempt to not post webpages that could be manipulated or used by people advancing a racist or violent agenda against the Makah Nation and People. Although they are not withdrawing in their opposition to whaling, they do realize the fueling of the racist elements as a result of some of their posts and will try to help minimize that aspect of the conflict.
I was also told the SSCS would make a more vocal and clear position in regards to opposing any violent threats or actions taken by any groups. Rather than rationalize death threats they will attempt to make a more vocal opposition and denoucement of these things.
Also of note is the World Whale Police website is also offline and is making significant changes in their website as well. It is too early to tell if their redesign will not include the sunken ship, etc, but from what I can gather there is a cleaning up going on with some of the SSCS associated websites.
I thought you would want to know this good news. Again I stated to the SSCS that I would encourage people to not be critical of their efforts to correct these inflammatory webpages and taking them off line.
Tomorrow I will be doing sweat lodge ceremonies for the solstice and want you all to know you and your families are in my prayers. I want to particularly thank the kind people of the High North Alliance for allowing your message board to be used a forum to help address these issues with Paul Watson and the SSCS. From our family to yours we wish you a good and happy holiday season. It is my deepest prayer that people can continue to work towards peace between cultures and nations and learn to respect our differences without the generation of such conflicts as has continues so commonly.
Kii yaa tuk
John Doe
Like I would tell you. Dream on.
12/21/99
Dear Mr. Kii yaa tuk-the stand up for brutal MURDERS guy, Can you not see that you are also protesting? You are protesting the protestors. And gees, if we didn't have the right to protest, where would the constition be, and more importantly, where would we be, China? What are you, an anarchist...after all, you don't want us to have rights.
We are the people, and we can speak.
Jerry Ellison
http://carnivoresunited.webjump.com
12/21/99
John Doe:
Murder is the unlawful killing of another human being. Neither a whale, ardvark, rabitt, potato, celery, cow, or other plant or animal is a human being.
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
12/21/99
Ms. Anthropolist:
We have had this discussion many times before with each other in many other guises of your "nuetrality" which in effect are like trojan horses. Your addiction to protest is a sickness and part of the disease of politics.
I am trying my best to wait and see what Paul Watson decides to do with his website before there is any more battle on this issue. You know my position very well and now you know the answer to your question as to why I have not responded to your emails.
I would think you would be a little more clever in your approach or a little more forthcoming with who you are. But of course you cannot because that would discredit yourself by giving your name. I totally understand why.
But please spare me more of your devil's advocate game you say you like to play so well while it is a mask that hides your true political heart. I have many things to prepare for that spending time and attention to your silly games distract from.
Have a good life and I will pray for your healing from this sickness of protest addiction and trojan horses of politics you offer.
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
12/21/99
Afraid to state your name:
It would take a very huge leap of imagination or a total lack of reasoning to take a discussion about excercising self-determination as to treaty rights and governments and twist that into a discussion of terrorism and vigilante justice. But to your credit you have done that.
You seem to have learned to read and type but somehow have lost your soul. Doesn't that bother you that you can even think such thoughts as you illustrate to make your points? There is something missing in a person who reaches such extreme and bizarre conclusions. Sociopathic is a word that comes to mind.
John Doe
12/21/99
Kii yaa tuk(aka Mr. Imperialism)- The anti whalers have the self determination to stop the Makahs.
If I decided to take over the world tommorow, & threaten that I would unleash a nuclear bomb if people(oh, sorry, all except the people belonging to tribes) didn't cooperate with me, would you back me up? How about if I were to kill a child(but of course not an Indian kid)? Take a look at where you stand.
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
12/21/99
John Doe aka antiwhaling fanatics---
Yes, I do support government's (which means in the case of the US the People) selfdetermination to employ capitol punishment for some offenses. I also totally support the right to self defense.
But what does this have to do with whales or the attack upon the Makah Nation?
John Doe
12/20/99
So, if I had the self determination to kill a human, would you support that?
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
12/20/99
George--
Your response has made me a little curious about your conclusion making process. Do you jump to such conclusions in your "scientific" results as well? Some researchers gather data, take it in context, and then reach a possible conclusion, while others start with a conclusion and then find the bits and pieces they need to support that conclusion.
I wonder after this short dialogue if your scientific position is as feeble as your reasoning that by supporting selfdetermination I am opposed to the results of self determination. That is a very remarkable insight into a scientific approach which you try so well to mask your invasion into internal domestic matters with.
Would you study the effects of the disease of politics and come up with some basis for how it taints your "science"?
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
12/20/99
George--
Please do not twist what I said to fit your agenda. I said I support self determination of the Makah Nation to make those choices which they make on this issue.
I am not an enrolled voting member of the Makah Nation, I do not speak for the Makah Nation, and I have not been asked by anyone of the Makah Nation for my opinion one way or the other on this matter.
I totally and completely support the basic human dignity to self determination free from outside interferance into internal tribal matters.
This does not in any way infer I agree whatsoever with your position. I also respect your ability to choose your own beliefs. This respect for your opinion does not mean I support your decision.
Use your obvious intelligence and not twist my words to be used in your political agenda.
George D. Tatu
12/20/99
Kii yaa tuk,
Thank you for clarifying your position. I'm glad to hear you do not support whaling. The children of all races will benefit in a world that has moved beyond the killing of whales.
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
12/20/99
George--
I have pondered what you have presented and have declined to comment on the ecological foundations of your question, not because I do not have an opinion as to some of the points you presented, but because of my focus in this issue. I assume responsibility if my previous response to your post mislead you or if any of my former communications with any of your associates have led you to believe that I am an advocate for whaling.
What my position is on whaling is that it is a matter of self-determination of the Makah Nation as to whether or not they choose to whale or not. I am not a Makah member and do not have a vote on way or the other as to whether or not whaling continues and this is totally beyond my scope as an individual.
My main concern and opposition is that in the pursuit of opposing the Makah Nation that smearing of culture, judgments of sprituality, racist attacks, threats of violence, and open hostility has become a part of that disagreement by some of the protest people. To the extent that those tactics are used I believe it hurts not only the Makah Nation but all children and people of all races involved.
The social dynamic and damage created is a part of this conflict which has been given very little priority...and truthfully many of the opponents of the Makah Nation have been told and accepted the position that such consequences are petty and that social justice issues are nonsense.
I do not like politics. Politics has killed more people in history and in our current times than perhaps any other single disease. As I have told others in the course of this conflict that if you have what you consider to be valid scientific information that you would like considered by the Makah Whaling Commission, the Makah Tribal Council, or any other regulatory agency involved in the decision making process that it is my belief such information should be presented for consideration by these governing entities.
Presenting data you believe is relevant is one thing. To the extent it is used as a demand and as an intrustion into self determination is another. We all have stepped into the danger of making either spiritual reasons, or scientific data, or personal reasons political and have neglected the larger need of finding power in the peace between Nations and People.
I hope this clarifies my views and is taken by you with the heart in which it is meant. I do not want this disease of politics to continue to infect society and become the legacy and inheritance of our children and unborn generations of all people and all races.
Kii yaa tuk 6698 County Rd. 301 Parachute, Colorado 81635
970-625-9169
George D. Tatu
12/20/99
Keith,
I wouldn't say whales have become "mutually dependant" on human hunting. Humans are a prime example of a transferred killer, as when when people first arrived in the arctic. A wave of extinctions has ensued every time humans have reached a previously unoccupied part of the globe.
Animal populations are always in a state of flux, adapting to changes as best they can. Grey whales are not dependant on the Makah (who hadn't hunted them for nearly a century). Killing 5 of them a year does not insure their survival. Yes, record numbers of grey whales died on their Northward migration, but that was not simply due to 'overgrazing' of the feeding grounds. The entire Bering Sea ecosystem is undergoing drastic, detrimental changes in the last few years. Their population has the potential to collapse again, due to impacts from a modern world we all a part of in one way or another. It may not be wise to begin hunting them again without knowing for sure what is causing their die-off.
Captain Paul Watson
PaulWatson@earthlink.net
12/19/99
"The only thing worst than being talked about - is not being talked about." -Oscar Wilde
Jason Spaulding
kenny_lives_76@yahoo.com
12/18/99
PAUL HAS TOLD SO MANY LIES THAT HE EVEN LIES ABOUT HIS LIES.
Stop Makah Whale Kill (http://stopwhalekill.listbot.com) Home Page: Archive: Message #5387
Date: Dec 16 1999 15:51:21 EST From: Paul Watson <paulwatson@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [Watson] Re: What is the truth; I want to know
Dear Susan, Normally I ignore the ravings of Jason Spaulding and his little group of hate mongers. But because you asked I will address these points.
1. I was indeed a medic - I worked out of the building designated as a hospital in Wounded Knee and I lived there during the occupation.
2. I was never a warrior in the sense that I carried arms and I have never stated that I bore arms or participated in shooting at US forces. I was given the title of Warrior Brother by Dewey Braveheart and the Braveheart clan at Calico.
3. I never stated that I ran through a hail of bullets to rescue Rocky Madrid. I was in fact with him when he was shot and I did assist in getting him back to the hospital.
4. I did assist Crow Dog when he removed the bullet and I was there in the room when he removed it.
5. I never said I was inducted into a warrior society named the Oglala Lakota Tribe. I dont knew where they get this shit. I was made a citizen of the Independent Oglala Nation of Wounded Knee at a ceremony in Wounded Knee attended by everyone. My Canadian passport was signed to this effect by Pedro Bissonette. I still have that passport.
6. The vision did happen. I find it amusing that people who say they consider the vision ceremony to be sacrced can be flippant about a vision and refer to it as a buffalo on a rope vision. It was my vision, my experience and quite frankly none of their business and not open to their criticisms. I find their attitude here to be disrespectful.
7. Wallace Black Elk did indeed counsel me on this vision.
8. I am what I am. That was the title given and that is the title I use.
9. I never said my Lakota name was Gray Fox Clearwater. It is Grey Wolf Clear Water. The name was given to me before Frank Clearwater was killed and thus is not related to him at all.
This is the reality and these are the facts and those who wish to discredit them can do as they wish - the truth can stand on its own.
I find it amusing that the F.B.I. has clear records of my involvement at Wounded Knee but my former allies are conviently forgetting. However my allegiance to the whales is stronger than any allegiance I have to any group of people so the accusations are not really that important to me. I only address them here because you requested some clarification.
Sincerely
Paul Watson
================== What Paul used to say:
http://www.seashepherd.org/ excerpt copied verbatim -- see ish about copyright =================== Where is the Whales' Manifesto?
Sea Shepherd's Response to the Makah Manifesto
by Paul Watson ============= A few weeks ago in Seattle, a sympathizer for the Makah's whaling initiative, demanding to know why I cared so much about four whales, yelled at me "Where were you when they were shooting Indians at Wounded Knee!?"
"I was there," I answered.
I received my life's mission to protect the great whales while serving as a medic for the American Indian Movement (AIM) at Wounded Knee, South Dakota, in 1973. I was holding the other end of the stretcher when a U.S. Marshall's bullet struck down medic Rocky Madrid as we were running through a hail of lead. I assisted Leonard Crow Dog in removing the bullet. I was made a warrior brother to the Oglala Lakota Nation and was given the name Gray Wolf Clearwater. In the sweat lodge ceremony, I had a vision, a dream wherein an arrow struck a buffalo. The arrow had a long string attached to it. The buffalo asked for my help and I broke the string and chased the hunter away.
Wallace Black Elk interpreted my dream. "Your mission is to help the buffalo of the sea - the whales," he said. "It will not be easy." ============== visit http://www.delphi.com/stoppaul and vote on whether or not Paul Watson is a racist asshole.
Chris
chris10little.netscape.net
12/17/99
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
12/17/99
Jerry--
No, that website you are referring to is sponsored by one of Watson's allied organizations. I will email you the site because I do not want to repost that totally repulsive and violent threat to more places than it aleady is.
The Out of the Mist art exhibit and the Kundu pages the SSCS website were the specific pages I was speaking of here with Watson. Canada and the First Nations have worked years towards reconcilation and healing as a result of the admission of the Canadian Government's role in the use of boarding schools and the resulting devestation upon First Nations People. Child molesting, beatings, even deaths were normal occurances in the residential boarding schools.
The Nuu chah nulth art exhibit was a step towards sharing their culture in an effort to continue to facilitate understanding between the First Nations and others. Did it have whaling depicted? Of course, the Nuu chah nulth culture is a whaling culture.
RICO--I will check into that.
JerryEllison
http://carnivoresunited.webjump.com
12/17/99
I'm curious, are you talking about the webpage that has the name and picture of a Makah man with "Wanted for Murder" emblazened on it?
If they were abortion protestors, they would have been dragged through the media as enciting violence for that. Maybe Planned Parenthood will push for a RICO suit against the protestors? I think not.
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
12/16/99
I received the following email from Paul Watson and I want to commend him for reviewing the Out of the Mist exhibit webspage on the SSCS website and finding it not relevant to the issues of whaling that he and the SSCS base their opposition upon. It is my strongest desire and hope that this decision made by Paul Watson will be commended as taking a step forward to working for non culturally based disagreements. Thank you very much Paul Watson for this forward and honorable step you have taken.
----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Watson To: Kii yaa tuk Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 1:33 PM Subject: Re: Out of the Fog
I have just returned this morning from overseas so I was unable to call you yesterday. I have taken a look at the concerns you raised re: the exhibit in Victoria and our posting on the web site. I did not post that info but this does not mean that I absolve myself from responsibility as I am the President of the Society. However I have instructed the web-people to remove that site and I have sent out a memo reminding everyone that our opposition to the Makah hunt is based on our committment to uphold the regulations of the IWC. I believe that the reason for the posting was to demonstrate that there is a lobbying effort underway to have the public accept the return to whaling and it was this that they meant to expose. However I do not deem it relevant to our overall objective of opposing the hunt because it is not authourized by the IWC. It has been my intention from the beginning of this campaign to keep our focus on the international regulations. I am not interested in being critical of Makah culture or anyone else's culture. Our responsibility is to the whales first, foremost, and exclusively. I do not believe that you can cite any reference whereby I have insulted the Makah culture directly. It may be argued that our very opposition to Makah whaling is an insult to the Makah culture and if this is believed, it is unfortunate but we cannot abandon the whales. We are bound to have differences. What is important is not our differences but our motivations and I feel confident that our motivation in opposing whaling is 100% that of conservation and adherence to whale protection laws.
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
12/16/99
Paul--
You know, when I first tried to contact you and come pray with you with the Sacred Pipe I did so because I thought surely this man who claims to have been at Wounded Knee has forgetten his prayers. I felt anyone who stood with those honorable Medicine People you speak of would know deep down inside what was meant by Mitakuye Oyasin--All My Relations. People do forget, and we do need reminded from time to time when we stray, and I felt you may have gotten so caught up into things that holding that Pipe and remembering what a Sacred Honor you claim to have experienced that you would realize that no Lakota Medicine Man would have blessed you attacking the Makah Nation as you have. I thought you simply forgot.
But then Paul I began to learn about you. And see how you have attacked people all over the world smearing them and lieing about situations. I have seen how you exploit your own supporters. And I have seen the hurt you cause--that deep hurt in people when the words you speak and the actions you take cause those kind of tears that just burn a person so deep.
Paul, you have said to your associates that I am part of a well funded organization paid for by the Japanese to interrupt your operation. You have called me a whore. And that is okay what you say about me. I am a pitiful man and I admit that. But you also insult many men and women who are some of the best people I have ever known. People who will not even address you directly on these things because to do so brings such dishonor upon them. But I see myself as pitiful already so I have no problem facing you.
Paul, I am not being paid to do this. I am doing it because I love my People, my family, my relationship to all things that move and breath. I am doing this because as a pitiful human being trying my best to do what I can to make this world a better place for all children of all races to live terrorist racist people like you have to be stopped.
You can see here you have hole big enough to float a battle ship through. And Paul, that is exactly what I am going to do and continue to do. Do you think this is an internet discussion? Do you think I am not giving all I have to give to keep you from dishonoring my People and poisening the minds of innocent people with your lies, terrorism, and racism? Do you really think I would have to be paid to do this?
Paul, the rules have changed. You are no longer the predator.
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
12/16/99
Found it Paul--
November 12, 1998 quote from Lisa Distefano in Neah Bay Diary:
"And speaking of money, I hate to get practical on you, folks, but in addition to the ubiquitous wish list to your immediate upper right, some cash would be nice. It's such a wonderfully all-purpose item. Can anyone spare some?"
Let's see, aren't non-profits supposed to do something like record donations and provide receipts and such? Solicitation of cash--an "all purpose item?"
Just asking questions Paul.
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
12/16/99
Paul--
I have been really trying to understand how selling a ship worth $171, 384 for One Dollar http://www.highnorth.no/guestbook/guest.htm could be used later as a statement on the SSCS website that such a sale was to raise money for the SSCS. http://www.seashepherd.org/ships/ships.html
Such creative sales didn' t only raise money for the SSCS, it also paid fines levied in Canada as well? (HNA's web site, supra) The transaction which Watson describes now is not at all what is recorded on the SSCS 1993 Capitol Gains Shedule. On that statement the sale of the Cleveland Armory was recorded as for $23, 110 and declared a loss of (148,274). (Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, A NonProfit Oganization, Financial Statements, Year Ending April 30, 1994, Department of Justice Portland Legal, Dec 27, 1996.)
An letter from Klein , Bogakos, and Robertson, CPA's Inc, who prepared SSCS tax forms for that year, dated November 15, 1994 to the SSCS Board of Directors, states "Management has elected to omit substantially all of the disclosures required by generally accepted accounting principles. If the omitted disclosures were included in the financial statements, they might influence the users conclusions about the Company's financial position, results of operations and cash flows. Accordingly these financial statements are not designed for those who are not informed about such matters."
So I guess Paul did inform us all how this matter was. The Cleveland Amory was not sold for the amount disclosed to the Oregon State Department of Justice---it was sold for one dollar not $23,110. And out of that one dollar fines were paid and a ship was bought. What is money laundering? I always wondered what that really meant.
This accountant number crunching game has always eluded my understanding. I have about a dollar left over from paying my propane bill---maybe I could get Paul to buy me a ship like Whales Forever with it? He seems to be able to, I know I cannot. Stranger things are known to happen I have heard. These days it seems anything is possible.
Now it makes sense why in Lisa's Neah Bay Diary she was so out front with her almost demands for money---I am going to go back through her diary and see if her requests were anywhere near her paydays. I do think I remember her writing something to the effect in regards to donations that "cash is always good" or something to that effect.
Conflict generation for personal gains?
Yo Paul---will you buy me a ship for my one dollar? You said doing that was perfectly legal---where can I send my dollar to and you can show me how to do this? I am still keeping an open mind and just asking questions Paul ---
And I am still waiting for you to clarify the use of derogatory statements of culture is related to ecology? I did not use the "r" word Paul.
And thanks Anders. I will study up on how modern whalers are being smeared too. I have no doubt Watson does the same smearing and offenses to all his opponents. When you lack an environmental policy you can always use inflammatory attacks. At least according the UCLA Guest Lecturer Watson.
Anders Jelmert
anders.jelmert@imr.no
12/16/99
Kii yaa tuk, I would think you can find much of the pertinent information on this web-site. In addition, I belive HNA have various leaflests where the theme is elaborated. You should of course also gather information from the Japanese whaling Ass., the various organisations opposing whaling, and from IWC and NAMMCO. As you can see, HNA have the integrity to provide links also to their opponents. Respectfully, Anders Jelmert
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
12/16/99
Anders---
I would very much like to hear of the modern whaling picture and how it is different than the picture the antiwhaling groups advance. Would you be so kind as to eloborate on those differences? Thank you.
Anders Jelmert
anders.jelmert@imr.no
12/15/99
Claire, Kii yaa tuk is fighting Paul Watson and the Sea Shepherds because they are using words and tactics villifying his people, his culture, and his traditions. One of Kii Yaa Tuk's openly expressed goals is to reduce the finacial support for these attacs. Pointing to possible dubious financial transactions of organisations living high of well intended people's goodwill is a rather relevant task IMHO.
Do you really think we should look at today's situation and forgat about the past? If so you are demolishing one of the most used arguments of all anti-whaling organisations, including Paul Watson and the Sea Shepherds: -the history of large-scale whaling in the Antarctic. If this is your sincere opinion, I really look forward to discuss contemporary whaling with you on this common ground. Regards Anders Jelmert
Heidi Anita Soløy
heidianita@hotmail.com
12/14/99
Well, what can I say. Whale meat tastes great!!! I'm am not ashamed to admit that my grandfather was a whaler (until he retired two years ago) Great site by the way! Lots of interesting facts, and I am glad to see that no one is afraid to say what they feel. But sad that not all of you dare to give us full name and a mail address.
Then I just have to say that intelligent people need intellignet food!!!
Just kidding!!!!!!!!
Heidi
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
12/14/99
Captain Watson:
I am thankful we can have this discussion in a civil manner because there are a few things I am very curious about. I see no need in this discussion involving racism as we both know I will say you are a racist and you will say you are not and we will go around and around. There are so many deeper issues here that need a dignified and respectful approach to. I am thankful we have this forum.
One of the things I am curious about is why you posted your "Out of the Mist Into the Fog" page. That exhibit was not put together to accomplish what you portray it to be. It was placed into the public to foster friendship and understanding of Nations. I have seen posts of yours where you say that social issues are irrelevant, but to many of us our communities and efforts to build friendships among races and Nations is important work for the future of our communities and children.
Many people put much work into that exhibit--and it contains many items which normally are not displayed that belong to the families of Hereditary Chiefs. I know you say that you do not discriminate against cultures and that you oppose all whaling, but if that is so why do you bring culture into the fray? Why not advance just a single species ecological position and let it rise and fall on its merits of your ecological beleifs?
The judgments and involvements of culture into your positions certainly makes it appear that you are not as objective in your opposition as you state. Another example of this is the Kundu article on your website. This is a direct attack on a culture and is very distasteful. How do you see such use of Kundu's article and the Out of the Mist exhibit as related to your ecological philosophy?
Captain Paul Watson
PaulWatson@earthlink.net
12/14/99
To Kii yaa tuk The crew and field staff for the Sea Shepherd Society have always been volunteers. So is every member of the Board of Directors. Occasionally we have paid crew in the case of expert engineers. We have always had a paid administrative staff. Lisa Distefano has not been a member of the Board of Directors. She has served in the position of International Director and that is part of the Executive. I myself as a member of the Board am a volunteer and I have always been a volunteer. The Cleveland Amory was indeed sold and the proceeds were used towards the purchase of a new ship. Was it sold at a loss? - the answer is yes due to fines levied by the Canadian government for interfering with over-fishing activities on the Grand Banks of Newfoundland and because of a blown engine. This loss was compensated by private donation. Overall, the Society realized a gain from the expedition that more than made up for the material loss to the ship. I am quite willing to communicate with you on clarification of facts. I have no interest in communicating with you with reference to your accusations of racism. My efforts to protect and conserve whales are not motivated by any other motive than a sincere passion for the whales. I do not discriminate and I oppose whaling by all people anywhere at anytime.
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
12/14/99
Captain Watson:
I respectfully withdraw from discussion the questions presented for clarification.
Thank you for your previous answer.
Respectfully, Kii yaa tuk
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
12/14/99
Captain Watson--
I thank you for your clarification of the question that has arisen, and hopefuly you would be so kind in helping me understand this clarification. The absolute last thing I would want to do is have the wrong information or to say anything that was not true.
According to your clarification here you sold the Cleveland Amory for one dollar. But on the SSCS 1993 Capitol Gains Schedule you show this ship sold for 23, 110 dollars. The SSCS declared value of the ship was 171,384, So either value you choose still is a huge loss to the SSCS.
And then on you website you claim the Clevland Armory was sold to raise money for the Whales Forever. I am confused. How does selling a ship for one dollar (or 23,110) which was worth 171,384 raise money? Help me understand this. The three statements, the one here, the one in your 1993 Captiol Gains Schedule, and the 1998 website posting appear to be completely contradictory.
I did call the SSCS office and did confirm that Lisa Distefano was no longer with SSCS. Has this changed? And I am also curious as to why you say there are no paid Board Members or crew that now you say Lisa is a paid employee. Does this information appear on your website, and if so, could you please cut and paste the link here so I can correct my thinking?
Thank you for taking your time to clarify these questions.
Claire
12/14/99
I have watched you fight Kii yaa tuk-or whoever you might be. Who cares if Lisa Distefano works for Sea Shepherd, or if she was a Playmate(whatever that might be). And further more if Sea Shepherd sold the Cleavland Armory to Orcaforce. It has gone too far. If you are going to have a fight don't concentrate on who your enemy is and what they have done in the past, but on what your enemy is doing now. I think you have to concentrate mainly on the people's made up wrongs because there is no way that you can pick a fight saying, "oh...um...I am opposed to Sea Shepherd because they are trying to save the Earth."
Shame on you.
Captain Paul Watson
PaulWatson@earthlink.net
12/13/99
So Kii yaa tuk says that questions have been raised about the sale of the ship Cleveland Amory by the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society to the Orcaforce Foundation. There is no mystery here. Orcaforce is very much a part of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society and since the Cleveland Amory was registered in Canada, the law dictates that the ownership of the ship must be Canadian. The Orcaforce Foundation is a Canadian registered corporation and thus the ship was transferred to Orcaforce Foundation. He was wrong about the price. Sea Shepherd sold the ship to Orcaforce forone dollar. The transaction was completely legal. The Cleveland Amory was later sold to a private buyer and the proceeds from the sale were returned to the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society. He is also wrong about Lisa Distefano. She is currently a paid staff member with the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society. Kii yaa tuk seems to spend quite a bit of energy attacking Sea Shepherd. I wonder who's paying him for his time.
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
12/12/99
Jon and to others who question who I am---Please excuse this long post but I feel need to express something here not easy to express. I ask for your patience and understanding.
As some of you know, I am married into the Wolf Clan of the Tse Shaht Nation. The Tse Shaht is one of the Nuu chah nulth Nations. My name Kii yaa tuk was given to me in a naming ceremony. It was given to me by my Tse Shaht mother. The Nuu chah nulth People---of which the Makah Nation are a part and with whom my family has many relations, are a beautiful people with deep deep ties to ancestoral past---songs, dances, heriditary traditions observed even today---I have the consent of my Tse Shaht family elders to represent our family in this matter.
By birth I am of Muskogee Creek and Choctaw descent (I am not enrolled) and Scotch Irish. A few years ago I was adopted into an Oglala Lakota family (Oglala Sioux as my mother says). I was honored with being presented a Cannupa by my Lakota tiospaye and this past summer was able to go on the hill and sundance for my first year. Two months ago my newest grandson was born at Pine Ridge, South Dakota. I say these things so my words now may be taken into context from which they come.
Paul's use of the Out of the Mist exhibit is beyond shame---This deeply hurt many people who had worked so hard to bring out into the public sacred treasures, chief's items, things that have been kept protected for so many decades. Why? to help facilitate understanding and to promote friendship.
We were in Neah Bay and saw this when it was first posted---tears were cried by some Nuu chah nulth to see Watson stoop so low---
No one deserves Paul Watson's attack---his war on the Nuu chah nulth began in Neah Bay and all along he has attacked the Nuu chah nulth People as a whole. My halfside, Waweeyis, is personally related to some of the targets on Watson's pages. Other of our relatives receive death threats---even given to the ears of children that answer the phone.
I have spoken to many Nuu chah nulth People concerning this attack by Watson---and I have always mentioned to them that there is a group named Coalition to End Racial Targetting of American Indian Nations CERTAIN, that is working to help defend our People. To know we do not stand alone against Watson is great comfort. Because of CERTAIN we are able to continue to properly prepare for the dangers that whaling represents and the healing it brings to our villages and communities.
To be able to say we "are" a whaling people like our grandfathers were instead of saying we "were" a whaling people is beyond description to hear. Without reasserting traditions and rights and practices assimilation would be complete. Without actually living a way of life one soon becomes a study or a subject in a class room.
Paul Watson's use of Wounded Knee also strikes deep in me. I have stood at the Knee with my Lakota family--and felt that power which overwhelmed me when I stood on that ground. I know the struggles that my relatives at Pine Ridge and countless other places endure. My family in South Dakota and elsewhere are insulted by Watson's use of the Lakota in such a shameful manner as I know so many others are as well.
I do know that just two or three weeks ago my nieces were not allowed to go to school because of bomb threats against their school. When I spoke to the Administrator of the Mohawk Nation in regards to Bill Moss's posting she told me the same thing we hear too often--how the threats of bombings and killing are made to her People as well. We saw the same colonialism at work just last night with the Bonnie Erbe article.
CERTAIN has a purpose and the need is there for us. To all of you working with CERTAIN I want to say on behalf of my families that we are eternally thankful for your sharing, your efforts, your support, and your integrity in what you so freely give of yourselves. At some point hopefully next summer we are planning to host a feast in honor of all of you and hold you up before our People for the good thing you do.
Mitakuye Oyasin
Kii yaa tuk 6698 County Rd. 301 Parachute, Colorado 81635
970-625-9169
12-09-99
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
12/12/99
Jon--
Thank you for your comments. Anything else you would like to mention?
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
12/12/99
PRESS RELEASE-----12-07-99 Subject----Lisa Distefano Leaves Sea Shepard Conservation Society Submitted by: Kii yaa tuk 6698 County Rd. 301 Parchute, Colorado 81635
970-625-9169
Title: Mutiny or Piracy on the Sea Shepherd?
The Sea Shepherd Conservation Society today confirmed that Lisa Distefano, formerly the SSCS International Director, is no longer with the SSCS. Asked if Lisa Distefano had gone onto other pursuits or had gone into her venture of Orca Force Foundation. The SSCS declined comment and as of this writing has not responded to this question.
According to records obtained, in 1993 the SSCS sold to Orca Force Foundation the Cleveland Armory. Lisa Distefano is known to be the Director of Orca Force. On the SSCS website, this transaction was described on February 18, 1998 by SSCS thusly:
"This ship was previously a buoy tender with the Canadian coast guard. It was renamed Cleveland Amory after our first benefactor. This is the ship that chased Cuban draggers from the Grand Banks. The ship was sold in late 1993 to help raise funds to purchase the Whales Forever."
Obtained records of the SSCS indicate that the Cleveland Armory had a value of $171, 384 US dollars and was sold to Orca Force Foundation for a sum of $23, 110 US dollars, constituting a loss of $148, 274 US dollars to the SSCS. Questions have arisen regarding the sale of this boat by a non profit 501(c)(3) corporation sold at a loss to the wife of the SSCS Director Paul Watson. Lisa Distefano, at the time of the sell of this boat, was both the wife of Paul Watson and the Director of Orca Force.
The Sea Shepherd Conservation Society remains unavailable for comment, only confirming that former Director Lisa Distefano is no longer with the SSCS.
Jon Hanson
12/11/99
Chief Tom Happynook, the President of the World Council of Whalers is employed by the Japanese Whaling Industry. He writes for the newsletter of the Japanese whaling industry and is flown all expenses paid to Japan to present a send-off dance for the Japanese whaling fleet. There is also reason to believe that this person who calls himself Kii tuk yu (mispelt deliberately) is also nothing more than a paid flak for the whalers. I don't think we are dealing with two advocates of traditional whaling at all. What we have here are a couple of Japanese bought and paid for whores
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
12/6/99
Is 20000 years give or take a week or two long enough for an ecological balance to occur? Impressive geological calender but i think since the last ice age species and interdependancies probably did develop don't you? I mean, this is just a guess since we are alive and mutually dependant.
Darren Tatu
12/6/99
One of the reoccurring themes I hear in defense of whaling and/or sealing is the notion that human beings are a necessary element as 'keepers of the balance' of marine life. As though there has always been a mutual relationship between marine mammal and the human hunter.
The fact is that homo sapiens have only recently (in geologic terms) come up with the weaponry and technology to go after the great mammals of the sea. Furthermore, man hadn't reached and settled the 'high North' until after the last ice age (within the last 20,000 years). Prior to that, from 6 million years ago to around 100,000 years back, mankind's ancestry inhabited only Africa and the southern half of eurasia. During that time and for several million years prior, whales and seals survived and flourished despite the fact that their "keepers"--human's primate ancesters--were for countless millenia, simple tree-dwelling omnivors.
Jason Spaulding
drumcarrier@technologist.com
12/5/99
Okay, folks, listen up:
One of Sea Shepherd's predictable tricks is what m_cata calls, "Oh, look at the pretty boat!" You ask a question; they don't answer it. When you ask for an answer, they say they already answered it, you just missed the answer.
I'm not going for it.
From my earlier posts I asked for specific answers re suspected lies by Cap'n Blowhard: 1) If Lisa was a Playmate, what name did she publish under? Not central to the debate, but an issue of credibility. 2) Why did you lie when you said you had been a professor of Native American history at Vincennes College in Paris? (nope, I didn't use phone books to smoke that out; I used an international directory of higher education) 3) If you are currently on the faculty at Art Center College of Design, why does their personnel office show you last taught there in 1992? (and why did you misstate this as the prestigious Pasadena College of Design in Montreux, Switzerland) 4) Why are you so concerned with analyzing the "hidden motivation" (your phrase) of your opponents while criticizing them? (I don't give a flying f*** whether you accept the Makah hunt or not. Lots of people don't; that is up to you and them. What I find unacceptable is your theft of Indian credentials, your stolen valor, your embezzlement of the name of a hero, your lying, your terrorism in opposition to the Makah.) 5) Why do you continue to lie that there is a public message board on the SS site? NOT! Anybody who wants to post on another message board can post on http://www.delphi.com/stoppaul/ Anybody from SS can post there too; I won't censor for content.
So 4 old questions, only one new one
in courtesy to your enforced absence.
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To Claire: If you want to dialog, join Makahhunttalk@listbot.com. Right there in Yakima,
you have some wonderful learning opportunities. The Yakama people have a saying: "The
top 6 inches of the earth are the dust of our ancestors." Try calling the tribal
office. If they don't know anything about the whaling issue, don't be disappointed. Find
out more about that tribe, and you will be indirectly learning more about the Makah. You
could consider starting a "Good Neighbor" club at your school to improve
communications between the Rez and nearby non-Indians. If you want the name of a fascist
associate of Paul's, try Jack Metcalf. I can give you all kinds of references for Jack
Metcalf, whose support Paul just doesn't accept; Paul has actively courted this.
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Jerry Ellison: send me your address.
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Back to Paul, who I am isn't important. I am just another nobody like Arthur Miller. I am
not a big shot like your pal Jack Metcalf. Your flack Frank Trinkle thinks he knows who I
am. Ask him? Claire
12/4/99
Kii yaa tuk: Gotta go out of town. I will write on Sunday or Monday.
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
12/4/99
Claire--activism 101
1--do not fight just to fight...that is part of the problem now, there are people who have made a business out of conflicts. Conflict generation and activism are not the same.
2.--seek your own vision--this takes years of preperation and learning who you are and where you fit in the universe--where your place is in the whole. Otherwise you become a puppet in someone else's game.
3.---learning to choose battles---our biggest and most potent enemy is in our own hearts. You have to face your own shadows and be well and healed before you can see to face another shadow.
4. Peace--never fight any battle without also looking for every opportunity to find the Peace. It is easy to fight--we need people who know how to find the power in the peace. Peacemakers are so much more powerful than protestors will ever be.
5. Spiritual Preperation---we all need to know our connection to all things that move and breathe. Our relationship to all life, from the original heartbeat of creation, has to be our guide and our strength and our journey.
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
12/4/99
Claire--it is because of the younger generations is why this is so important. You have such a bright mind--such an ability to express yourself. You have a gift of education and opportunity that not all people can have. And it is for the children, and the yet unborn generations, that this conflict such as it is has to end.
It is so tragic that children, young people such as yourself, have to go to schools where there are threats of shootings. You know what happened here in Colorado last year. Words cannot begin to say how wrong that is for children to have to live in a world like that.
When the two schools Indian schools in Washington were closed due to bomb threats from anti-whaling people, how do you think those kids felt? How did their parents feel? When my six year old nephew answers the phone and gets death threats how do you think he feels? Or those of us who have an obligation to protect our children from the people attacking children and people just because they disagree over differences in how people live?
Claire, I don't want any child, of any race, of any nation, to have to live in fear. I don't want any child of any nation to grow up not knowing how precious you all are. These people are not heroes. They are not environmentalists.
They do not care about the future generations because they even now threaten the children who already exist.
I offer you my deepest apology for making you feel as if I didn't not consider you important. That is not true. You and the other young people are what this is about Claire.
Claire(yes, again)
12/4/99
Kii yaa tuk:
You don't believe me about me writing and thinking formation, right??? Well I was thinking, my test scores. I passed all my state EALR's. (You will laugh at the following #)I was one of 25 out of some 250 in the seventh grade to pass the EALRs last year(I think that stands for state essential learnings assesment). Now, you know these EAlr's aren't easy, they are developmentally not right. The test was extremely hard, but it didn't depend on the right answer, but instead on how you figured out the problem, or the process. I am a very logical thinker, and all you have to do is show your process.(Basically what I am doing right now, I am showing my thought process-sorry if I ramble on, I have a tendency to do that)
Please Kii yaa tuk, all I want to do is have a debate. I swear, there is NO ONE in Yakima that even cares about the hunts. How am I supposed to learn both sides? I want to become a TRUE activist. I have learned what I can from books. I need REAL experiance now. Please. I went to my first protest last Sunday in Seattle against the WTO. I loved it. Everyone was working together and trying to make a differance.(And no, the protestors did not do the damage done to Seattle, the Eugene Anarchists did, and the gangs) I loved how I had a burning sensation inside me, my blood was boiling.
Please Kii yaa tuk, please. Think, when you were 13, what did you like doing the most? THINK HARD. What if someone took that away from you, how would you have felt??? I want you to consider this, and see that I am but a mere human- being, no matter what my age.
Please.
Claire
12/4/99
Kii yaa tuk: You are SO predictable. I knew you were going to treat me differant because I am a kid. So typical of adults, so typical. You don't believe me. I live in Yakima, Wa. I live on West Yakima Ave.(the # shall remain a mystery so my mum won't get mad) I am in 8th grade at Wilson Middle School. The principal is Mrs. Grimes. She is mean and does not listen to kids(hmmm, that reminds me of someone) My first period class is Algebra with Mr. Park. He is very intelligent and actually listens to us. My second period class is Science with Mr. Olive. He looks like Santa and used to work for NASA on the 3rd largest telescope in the world. Next I have reading with Mr. Park, again(no need to tell you about him). Then, PE with Floyd(excuse me while I barf) Just today she made me run Sweet Sixteens three times in a row because I wasn't at school Wednesday (because there was a shooting threat) and I hadn't turned in make-up work. Next, Spanish with Gutierraz. She is nice, but talks way to fast in Spanish. Finally lunch. And then English with Turner(YUCK), talk about high strung. Last but not least, History-which might I add is extremly boring-with Mr. Smith. Currently I am not that happy with him because he thought the WTO protesters inflicted the riots on them selves. When in all reality they did not. I am the Co-chairperson on the ASB team for 2nd quarter.
It really tweaks me that I can not hold a debate because I am a kid.
Sincerely Not yours, Claire- born August 29, 1986 @ Memorial Hospital Brother-Nate. Lives on Capitol Hill, Seattle. He is 18, goning to school to be an optomitrist @ Seattle Communoty College.
Still don't believe me???
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
12/4/99
To the Norwegian People, Norwegian Whalers, and High North Alliance---In our battle with Paul Watson and his terrorist associations I have neglected to extend to you my deepest respect and admiration for the courage and leadership you have demonstrated in protecting the sustainable use of whales and demonstrating regional management principles which are a great model for others to learn from.
I know you have faced Paul Watson for years---and that despite his best efforts to terrorize the whaling people you had the courage to stand and to not allow his fear tactics to work.
I want you to know that here in the United States and with the people I know in Canada that Paul Watson and his terrorism is not widely supported as he would like for people to believe. Terrorists have no place in any decent society. Please know we are doing all we can to end his private declaration of war against whaling people of the world.
Be strong, and please know that Watson and his days of terrorizing innocent people are close to being over. Other than his extreme friends, mainstream people do not knowingly support such terrorists and without fail every single person or corporate sponsor of his I have talked to has pledged to pull their funding for him.
We will continue to work on eliminating his funding, continue to work with the law enforcement agencies in the United States to prosecute his crimes committed here, and it is my deepest prayer that together we can make sustainable resource managements work for the future of all generations and unborn who will be able to live in freedom of being being terrorized by groups such as the Sea Shepard Conservation Society.
You are all in my prayers and best of luck in a safe hunt next season. Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
12/4/99
Claire, I doubt from your formulation of thought and expressions that you are 13 years old. But since you claim to be child I will accordingly not discuss these matters with your further without a signed consent from from your parents.
Clair
12/4/99
Kii yaa tuk:
You are not a terrorist because you oppose so called "tererorists". You are a terrorist because you are terrorizing Sea Shepherd. Sea Shepherd is in no way a "terrorist" group. Do you think that a terrorist is someone who tries to shut down destructive whaling and fishing operations??? The SSCS has sucessfully shut down around 12 whaling ships. I am sincerely sorry about the Makah cemetary. But, I have no power over those who tromp through it. As you probably have no power over those who are clear-cutting the Nuu Chah Nuths tribal rainforest of Clayquot Sound. Or do you Kii yaa tuk? I would not be so concerned about the Makah hunt if I did not think it had long term effects on this Earth. I do not (under any circumstances) think that I was ,"...just merrily walking along life..." and then came someone like you. Someone who thinks that we are racist because we care about Earth. I know what I have done, and I take full responsibility for it. Jack Metcalf is a very gracious person, and I fail to see where his Nazi friends you talk about are Kii yaa tuk. Would you like to point them out for me Kii yaa tuk?
I have no affiliation with any of the anti-whaling groups. Maybe because I am only 13, and live 4 hours from the nearest ocean. I can't give out my last name or my e-mail adress, etc. because of stalkers(my mum would get really very mad). I am anonymous for that reason only. Although I have no affiliation with these groups, I wish to when I am older.
Jerry, I know only a little Japanese, English please. (diamond of as for the degree of to be in agreement???-Daiymondo no hintshitsu wa tomei-do kimaru???)
I am here to remind you of the mess you will leave when your gone. I don't want to be responsible for the whales that your'e killin' Kii yaa tuk. That was your eras culture, now it is mine Kii yaa tuk. It is not fair to deny me, when I have atleast another 75 years in me. I am not going to fade away when you get mad. Don't think just because you are older than me that you can over power me. It is time for my generation now Kii yaa tuk, consider yourself warned.
Jason Spaulding
drumcarrier@technologist.com
03.12.99
In Honor of Cap'n's Felony Jailing ========================
PARODY: LEWIS CARROLL'S "THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER"
PAUL WATSON THE SEA SHEPHERD, AND POLITICALLY CORRECT RACISM
by Monica J Charles (A VETERAN OF WOUNDED
KNEE 1973)
The Shepherd slithered upon the sea, Painted with Killer Whales Who do understand the hunt. He played tapes of their hunting songs, Not knowing what they said, As pods of Orca gathered.
The Makah silently ignored him. And prayed for his eyes and heart to open To the sacred circle of life. But he made too much money Playing cowboys and Indians Howling racist stereotypes.
"You alcoholics and drug users!" He screamed on the front pages He didn't say it was his government That gave these to us for genocide So they could steal our resources It was they who endangered the gray
"I'm not a racist!" He bellowed for the TV "I was the medic at Wounded Knee in 1973" The REAL veterans phoned each other perplexed "I don't remember this guy, do you?" "The medic was tall, skinny, fine and black." Were you an FBI agent Paul? Are you now?
Pods of Killer Whales gathered in council To figure out this abberation The sounds of a hunt and gray whales dying When no such thing was happening A warning Paul, you'd better listen good You can't play with The Spirit without paying
He conned a lonely elder into abandoning her traditional wisdom And parroting his words instead "You're the good Indian. They're the bad." "Come with me, I'll make it worth your while." "If you tell the world, The Makah are tainted."
But The Whalers maintained discipline They paddled each day out to sea, rain or shine "Bare chested warriors!" He leered to the press But who's the savage? Who's the gentleman? Who never answered hate with hate? Who turned the other cheek?
"The time has come," the racist said, "To crow and shout and spin." "They survived our smallpox and alcohol" "But we'll call it their sin." Their Treaty we'll destroy then throw it in the trash bin
"But hold on, now," the shepherds wailed, "Real Indians should paint their face!" "And tie feathers in their braided hair." Okay Paul, let's play fair! Put on your kilt, paint yourself blue. Where's your 18th century ship?
"An anti-tank gun," the shepherd lied. Another time an elephant gun. "I'll use whatever image will bleed your hearts and wallets. They're on welfare not me! Just send me money! More money!"
"I know what's best!" did the shepherd cry, For my skin is white. "A new industry for you, Cameras not harpoons! Look over there while I dump my bilge. You didn't see Jonathon strike a whale!
"It seems a shame," The shepherd said, "The lies and hate didn't work." "They got their whale on live TV. All the Tribes did rejoice. They came to the feast from Fiji and Africa. Nothing we did could stop it."
"In Port Angeles they marched To stop the
hate I tried so hard to generate." The world is evolving Paul Despite your
machinations Love always overcomes fear.
There were no
Samurai. That was another racist ploy. To create a backlash of white fear, While Killer
Whales are dying, And Nuclear plants reopen. Are you an agent from some secret government
cell? Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
02.12.99
Claire, why is it that you and your friends do things like tromp through Makah cemetary, invade the reservation, slander, smear, attack, harrass, and completely do everything in your power to attack them as Indian People, including aligning with Metcalf and his Nazi friends, and then cry when someone like me tells you enough is enough and it is time this stops? I bet you are one of those people who believe that you were just merrily walking along life minding your own business and respecting the rights of the Makah and then suddenly along comes Kii yaa tuk and speaks unnice things about your friends? Are you really that out of touch with accepting responsibility for your own choices and responsibility? The rules have changed-- like it or not--and now we will play by another set of rules. No longer do your groups set this agenda. No longer do you lie and lie and lie about people and stalk and terrorize them. No longer do these groups you mention have that ability. The agenda is being redefined, and part of that redefinition is that racist, terrorist groups are not allowed. Can you understand that so you can pass this along to your friends?
Jerry Ellison
http://carnivoresunited.webjump.com
02.12.99
Claire:
Daiyamondo no hinshitsu wa tomei-do de kimaru.
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
02.12.99
Claire, I have yet to have anyone explain to me why opposing terrorists makes me a terrorist? Does opposing whaling make you a whaler? I wish you and your friends would listen to how silly you sound sometimes. I notice you claim affiliation with these terrorist and racist groups but do not leave your name and contact information so you can be accountable for your words. I have noticed that about the antiwhaling people, you hide so well under your white hoods. What difference do you really think you are making? The Makah hunt quota is a combined quota of 140 whales out of a stock of 26000 out of which 150 starved to death. You overlook 84 Orca being whale watched to death and yet join forces with the very people who commerically exploit this almost extinct stock of Orca. And you really want me to believe you care only about the whales? Walk your talk and maybe you might be heard. Am I terrorizing Paul and your friends? Good.
Claire
02.12.99
Oh my gosh! You spoke to me and didn't agree. I think I have been permentally damaged and I think I also have mental distress!(whatever that might be)
No one told you to start terrorizing Sea Shepherd either. If you oppose what Captain Watson is doing to whalers so much, why are you doing the same exact thing to SSCS? I am behind SSCS, Orca Force, West Coast Anti Whaling Society, Sedna, World Whale Police and all the other people who actually care about saving the oceans, at least they aren't so set in their ways. Their ancestors did many things wrong, such as deplete the whale population. But they are out there tring to make a differance, make what is wrong right. Further more, I(being half Japanese) strongly oppose that my relatives now are out on the seas whaling and cutting off shark fins. But I can't make a differance because they are so errogant that that they can't even see that they ARE the ones killing the enviornment.
Humans are just another species. But, we have the ability to make a differance before we totally wreck the Earth. Each specie plays a role in the delicate web of life. This day and age, homo sapiens can not afford to whale. All things must work together, may they be flora or fauna.
P.S. Sorry Jerry, just wanted to make sure you read the letter(after all you were the one proposing the countersuit).
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
02.12.99
Claire, unlike Watson and his supporters who hide, I will gladly present my identity. Kii yaa tuk (Keith Hunter) 6698 County Rd. 301 Parachute, Colorado 81635 970-625-9169 you are invited to my web site dedicated racist and terrorist organizations, including Paul Watson and the Sea Shepard-- http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/5508/EcoTerrorist/index.html I keep having this image of the Sea Shepard sneaking around sucking on hoses siphoning gas to sneak out of town. Paul and Lisa at least will have 3 hots and a cot provided for them in prison. Will his supporters fair so well?
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
02.12.99
No one forced Paul Watson to travel the world sinking ships and terrorizing people of many, many nations. No one forced Paul Watson and the Sea Shepard to declare war on people and become "self appointed police"--if this were true why does he have so many convictions in so many countries? He does not have the "authority" to do these things as he claims. Yet he has continued to use the United States and his tax status in this country to wage his vigil ante justice. He and the SSCS have eluded US jurisdiction until now. No one forced his attack upon the Makah Nation. No one is responsible for these things except those that made those decisions and choices. It is the duty of United States citizens to honor our treaties, to honor our tax laws, and to honor our Nation and protect it from attack from terrorist groups. Paul Watson, Orca Force, Sea Shepard, Lisa Distefano, World Whale Police, Sea Defense Alliance, all these people have and are engaged in criminal terrorist actions against not only the Makah, but against other people around the world. This has to be stopped. Paul Watson tried to bully people, and then when he cannot, he sneaks around in the dark hiding his actions. This is not an honorable warrior of any society. For the safety of communities around the world he and his supporters of like mind have to be seen and known for what they are. As I said, Paul Watson does not have the courage to file anything against me, he and I both know that. Whether or not I choose litigation as a means to stop his reign of terrorist activity will depend solely upon what strategy will work the best. I believe stopping his funding is the avenue that will have the most immediate effect and that is what I am committed to doing...with great success I might add...decent people do not like funding terrorists. The Sea Shepard initiated the threat of a lawsuit, which I believe is more of Watson's bullying and hot air. I will continue to stop his funding regardless of these empty threats from a person living in a delusion of grandeur.
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
02.12.99
Anyone who looks at Paul Watson's past damages of terrorism, racist attacks, and associations with terrorist groups that does not see that his use of non profit status in the United States to commit crimes and fraud upon supporters and see that this is grounds to be sued has to be very closed minded. Lawsuits include injunctive relief, in the form of Watson stopping spreading his lies around the world. Claire, I am honored that one of Watson's supporters uses his usual tactics of calling someone a terrorist who is trying to stop terrorist organizations. Who am I terrorizing? Watson and his racist terrorist friends? Come on Claire, get a clue. Watson initiated his course for a public trial on this, and it is up to Watson to put up or shut up. Will you still support him when he does not sue me and once again he is seen as a liar? His attorneys claim my "labeling" Watson as a terrorist is hurting his funding. Good, that is my intent is to stop his funding. I am happy it is working. Watson is a terrorist, a liar, a fake, a fraud, and a threat to decent society. If I truly thought a lawsuit seeking injunctive relief would stop Watson that is exactly what I will do, with or without the approval of Watson supporters. What is the most effective way to stop Watson? That, and that alone, is the choice to be made.
Bob Loriel
02.12.99
I agree. If you sue sombedoy for the g.p. without any grounds your behing can be sued right back for abusing the legal process.
Jerry Ellison
http://carnivoresunited.webjump.com
02.12.99
I haven't said anything about sueing anybody. Why are you calling me a terrorist, oh brave annoymous person?
Anyone making threats should consider the consequences long and hard.
Jerry Ellison
http://carnivoresunited.webjump.com
02.12.99
I haven't said anything about sueing anybody. Why are you calling me a terrorist, oh brave annoymous person?
Anyone making threats should consider the consequences long and hard.
Claire
01.12.99
Kii yaa tuk & Jerry Ellison:
Seriously, if you don't think Captain Watson has
the grounds to sue you, on what grounds would you have to sue him???(and if so, what
planet are you from?) A countersuit of "...intentional infliction of mental
distress..."?(Yeah, I'm sure) Did you ever think maybe if you really had mental
distrubances, you should be in an asylum. Whose the liar now???(hint hint, all fingers
pointing to Kii yaa tuk) Oh, and also, we aren't terrorists.(in my personal opinion, you
are) Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
01.12.99
Jerry, you are exactly right in my opinion. I am more than willing to be a plaintiff against these terrorists. I am working on that even as we speak.
Jerry Ellison
http://carnivoresunited.webjump.com
01.12.99
Kii Ya Tuk:
Of course, speaking hypothetically, without comment on your particular case, if one were threatened with a frivolous lawsuit for purely political purposes one could always write back mentioning a possible countersuit for abuse of process, intentional infliction of mental distress and maybe even look into a class action suit by persons that an organization has been directing harassment against for all these years. Might even be some civil rights overtones in some cases. If there were malice, some jurisdictions would be able to award punitive damages based on an organization's assets and possibly even attorney's fees.
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
01.12.99
Paul's lawyer wrote me a letter saying that because I called Sea Shepard Conservation Society a criminal organization that I was libel for the loss of funds they are able gather. This is even while Watson is sitting in jail believe it or not. I am telling you these people are crazy---they sink ships and reak economic hardships on people all around the world then want to file a lawsuit when there funding is challenged because most people do not want to support terrorist groups. Planet Hollywood dropped them like a hot rock. I cannot imagine that even as arrogant as Watson is that he could even think I would believe they would actually file a lawsuit against me. He is too big a coward to face an opponent face to face, especially in a forum like a court even though he always claims he wants to take his world theory of whaling to a show trial. Here is his chance and I would bet you almost anything it is just another one of his lies which these people speak so freely. Cowards and liars are what people send money to and they hate it that we are letting people know that and that his support is getting taken away. They are on the run and soon will be hiding---there is no way he is going to sue me...not even Paul Watson is that stupid and arrogant.
Jerry Ellison
http://carnivoresunited.webjump.com
01.12.99
What to heck could he possibly have grounds to sue you for?
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
30.11.99
I cannot help but wonder Paul whether or not it bothers you at all that your supporters send money to a man who then wastes their hard earned money by giving it to a lawyer to write stupid letters threatening lawsuits? Debbie, the paralegal in the law office, sure sounds tough on the phone--does she know what a liar you really are? Did you really think your game could last forever Paul? Your last chance is here to show me any credibility at all---you can either follow through with this lawsuit or just plain shut up. You have wanted a court case to show the world your position of illegal whaling, well, here it is big mouth. Put up or shut up.
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
30.11.99
Paul Paul Paul---I just got back to Colorado after a wonderful trip to the Makah Nation---guest what??? I got the letter from your lawyer and called his office on the phone. I take it you do not like me telling people they shouldn't donate money to a terrorist group like the Sea Shepard Conservation Society. Well Paul, get used to it. You see Paul, you lie so much I cannot even believe it when you say you are going to file a lawsuit against me. You don't even have that measure of accountability and yet you want people to send you money? I guess your supporters pay for lawyers to send such letters---I will be sure and post that letter on my website along with your email accepting a debate with me. Well, I look forward to you getting out of jail so we can get on with this lawsuit---haha---thanks for the good joke and laugh. It is good that you and your lawyer have such a good sense of humor.
Anders Jelmert
anders.jelmert@imr.no
23.11.99
Guest lecturer Watson on "vacation". To those who wonders why Paul Watson announced his absence yesterday without further specifications. According to a press release from the Sea Schleppers he will be serving the next fourteen days in prison at St. John's Newfoundland for his harassment of Cuban fishermen in 1993. Anders Jelmert
Anders Jelmert
anders.jelmert@imr.no
23.11.99
Guest lecturer Paul Watson, I am sorry to break the news for you that the title *professor* does signify a substantial amount of both academic training and acheived results. You have of course neither, and have never been a professor of ecology at UCLA. Nevertheless it is a wonderful irony that the actual course was titeled:"The 21st Century, Society and Environment and Ethics". Your recent reply to Jason reveals that what really matters is your conviction of "whale rights" and not ecology at all. To me it looks like your most valuable contribution to said course would be "object lessons in lack of ethics". This would at least be a field where you are abundantly qualified. Anders Jelmert
Jerry Ellison
http://carnivoresunited.webjump.com
23.11.99
For once we agree. The United States did not have the right to give the Makah the right to hunt whales. But not for the reason you state.
The reason is that as free men, the Makah were endowed with certain rights by their creator. Rights that neither you, the United States government, nor any other self-appointed enforcers of political correctness can ever take away.
Captain Paul Watson
Paulwatson@earthlink.net
22.11.99
Jason, the treaty of 1855 pretends to give the Makah the right to kill whales. The USA does not own the whales and never has owned them so the USA was never in any position to give any rights to the Makah to kill them. The whales have a right to live unmolested by the hand of man, regardless of culture or color. Methinks you protest overly much about my motivations. You wish to read into them, your own prejudices and agenda. I protect whales and I have done so all my life - from Norwegians, Japanese, Australians (1978), Icelanders, Spanish, Peruvian, Korean, and Makah. I have never discriminated and I have always focused on the harpoon not the harpooner. Obviously you disagree with this position and you certainly have the right to do so. However your arguments have been very weak, your rhetoric very lame, and your motivations have been hidden. Yoou wish to see the whales killed and I wish to see them live. That's the crux of the situation and all your name-calling and all your posturing will never convince me to accept the killing of a whale. I am also pleased to see that so many people agree with me and Sea Shepherd. Our support is growing and this is being translated into more effective equipment and more effective campaigns and there ain't a damn thing you can do about that - so whine and waste your time researching your version of the "truth" - because what it will accomplish is irrelevant to the work we are doing - you are just feeding your demons man, that is all you are doing. Anyway, I'm busy for the next two weeks so rant on and when I'm back, maybe I might bother to respond, if for nothing else than the amusement of doing so.
Rachel Ogura
oguras@televar.com
22.11.99
Dear High North Alliance & all other people who are raised to pseudo higher levels by killing innocent animals, The whale that was slaughtered in Neah Bay was a living thing, it was a mammal like you and me. It was not raised in captivity to be killed, like cows or chickens, it was a thing of the wild. Its life was stolen, all so the Makah could get some attention and recognition. What they did was wrong. We don't have another 10 years to keep abusing the Earth and other species.
Anders Jelmert
lilland@sensewave.com
21.11.99
Paul Watson, It would be very disappointing to learn that Dr. Darling eventually should posess an integrity of your abyssal standard. If your quote of his Vancouver Sun statement is correct, he have at best delivered an amazingly incomplete allegory. Apparently he compared the Makah take of a grey whale the 17. of May with an attempt to catch someone at 11 am, after having declared that they should catch them in the rush hour. I find it puzzeling that Dr. Darling failed to include in his story a self-proclaimed pseudo "law-enforcement" group doing anything they could to obstruct the proclaimed take. If he wanted his allegory to have a shred of credability he should of course have incuded something resembling the Sea Schleppers. Now if we return to the real world, could you perhaps forward a question to Dr. Darling. *Did this years migration of grey whales take place within the "normal time window" or was it delayed. If it was delayed, how much was was this delay? Anders Jelmert
Jerry Ellison
htpp://carnivoresunited.webjump.com
21.11.99
Mr Watson:
It wouldn't surprise me that you look very hard at the race of everyone.
Even when the Indians happen to win in court or gain a treaty, the white man has reniged time and time again. It doesn't surprise me in the least that a way to weasel out would be quickly dreamed up. After all that is what the phrase "Indian Giver" refers to. Sign a treaty and you can remain on these lands.... oops, we want those lands now... march over here. Hey, you Indians need to learn the morally superior way of Starbucks pseudointellectualism.
But then the white liberals believe they can save all the poor non-white savages with their superiority, right? White man's burden, eh?
Captain Paul Watson
Paulwatson@earthlink.net
21.11.99
Gee, Jerry, the last time I saw Gov. Locke he looked very Chinese to me. So what do you mean about the "white man" taketh away? Besiides the whales were never the property of the white man or the USA to give away in the first place. And Jason, just because your research is incompetent - that does not make me a liar and I am not your research assistant. I find it very amusing that you are searching the list of playmates and scouring the Paris phone book for an address. I'm glad you found some purpose for your life.
Jason Spaulding
drumcarrier@technologist.com
21.11.99
Yo, Paul, there is no public message board at seashepherd.org? Just another Paul Watson lie. And while we're on that, what is the address of "Vincennes College" in Paris where you were a professor? No such place listed in the International Directory. And speaking of lies, there is no Lisa Distefano listed as a Playmate ever... ever. No Lisa Watson either. So what was she, "Big Girls of the Big 10", or somep'n?
Jerry Ellison
carnivoresunited@juno.com
19.11.99
Mr. Watson:
So, the white man giveth... the white man taketh away.
Captain Paul Watson
Paulwatson@earthlink.net
19.11.99
WASHINGTON TO INVESTIGATE MAKAH WHALE HUNT Governor Locke will weigh state protection for resident Gray whales
Saying "I have always been against the hunt," Washington Governor Gary Locke told whale activists in Port Angeles on Tuesday that he will consider the option of intervening against the killing of Gray whales by the Makah Indian tribe. State lawmakers have previously said they could not intervene, as the hunt concerns a treaty between an Indian tribe and the federal government, but state law gives the governor the authority to intervene in federal and tribal fishery matters when tribal hunting or fishing would defeat the state's interest in conserving a species classified as protected. The Gray whale is listed as a protected species under the rules of the Washington State Department of Fish and Wildlife. That option caught the governor's attention when brought up by Sea Shepherd Conservation Society President Paul Watson and Chuck Owens of the Peninsula Citizens for the Protection of Whales, who met with the governor and Department of Wildlife officials in Port Angeles on Tuesday along with Washington Citizens Coastal Alliance activists and Makah elder Alberta "Binky" Thompson. They spoke with the Governor and his aides at a lunch meeting after the governor's steps were dogged by protestors -- bearing signs with such legends as "Welcome to Clallam County: Whale Killing Capital of the USA" -- during his tour of downtown Port Angeles, which had been designated Washington's "Capital for the Day" for the occasion of Locke's visit. "The Governor told us that after talking with us today, he is asking the Secretary of State and the Attorney General to look into the resident whale issue and see what they can do about it," said Owens, founder of the PCPW. "He said 'I have always been against the hunt, and we are going to pursue the matter.' " The crux of the matter is the growing certainty that the Makah have been hunting resident, not migratory, Gray whales off the coast of Washington, and that the whale they killed on May 17 was from that specific group of whales, which numbers between 35 and 200 animals. The herd is considered a separate population from the total Pacific herd, which is estimated to number around 24,000. "The primary migration occurs from Mid-December to mid-January, and from late February through the end of April," said Watson. "The Makah have been hunting outside those time frames, and any take at all from the resident herd is clearly a conservation threat. The state of Washington is legally obligated to bar the hunt for that reason. The Department of Fish and Wildlife regulations are clear: 'Wildlife classified as protected shall not be hunted or fished.' " Whale biologist Jim Darling underscored this argument in an article in the July 14 issue of the Vancouver Sun, in which he noted that the timing of the Makah's hunts and their stated intent to only strike migrating whales have been equivalent to "declaring you want to catch someone in the morning rush hour, but not trying until 11 a.m."
Captain Paul Watson
Paulwatson@earthlink.net
17.11.99
Jason,
I teach at UCLA only one semester per year. I teach again in the Spring of 2000. The course is Honors 24 - Science, Technology and Ethics in the 21st Century. Contact Prof Ben Zuckerman at UCLA for confirmation if you wish. I give one to two lecture presentations each semester at Art Center College of Design in Pasadena, California. This can be verified through Dean Richard Hertz. I can teach a full course whenever it is convenient for me to do so. You are very quick to jump to conclusions and very quick to dismiss. YNot that I care - I have absolutely no idea who you are and I don't really care but I will correct your misinformation. You can post messages on the Sea Shepherd boardroom. There is no censorship there despite accusations to the contrary.
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
17.11.99
I went to the chat room on the SS site one time and immediately the "chat room administrator" asked me if I was "for the whale or the Makah"---I answered "both"--needless to say he or she disconnected me from the chat and kept my IP number so I cannot log back in---Paul does not have anytype of open forum on his website at all. Paul is very adept at keeping his groupies insulated from truth and reality.
courtney dowdall
groovyrooby@yahoo.com
17.11.99
i'm an anthropology student at truman university and i'm doing a report on the issue of whaling rights in canada for my north american indians class. this site has been very informative and if anyone else knows of other good links i would appreciate the extra info. thanks so much. courtney dowdall groovyrooby@yahoo.com
Jason Spaulding
kenny_lives_76@yahoo.com
17.11.99
Paul, a chat room is not the same as a guestbook. So there is another misstatement of facts. Here are some more: You list yourself as a professor of the "Pasadena College of Design". You have never been on the faculty of the Pasadena College of Design, which is in Montreux, Switzerland. You are not currently on the faculty of the Art Center College of Design, and have not been since 1992. You are not listed as a professor by UCLA anywhere on their website or catalog. No, we have the standard Paul Watson exaggeration. I would rather discuss this in the Sea Shepherd guestbook, but if you insist on meeting here, that will work, too.
Jostein
josteinkj@hotmail.com
16.11.99
it's very good site allright, but there are a few typos around that gives it an unprofessional look
except for that: excellent
joanne howes
how09@ballaratsc.vic edu au
16.11.99
great website!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
16.11.99
Heck Paul, you even lied about Planet Hollywood sponsoring a fundraiser for you. They told me they knew nothing about this, in fact the Planet Hollywood in Miami was closed even while you advertised this on your web site. Once I explained that you sink ships and are attacking a Native American Tribe, they positively assured me they would never sponsor an event for you. Paul, do you think you may need mental help?
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
16.11.99
Paul, you lied about Wounded Knee. You lied about being a professor at UCLA. You lied about withdrawing if the IWC did not declare the hunt illegal. You lied about your ship being vandalized (how much insurance did you collect?) You lied about your association with ALF and the Justice Department. You lied about Lisa being in Playboy. You lie about you having UN authority to sink ships. Will your movie be called Eco-Liar?
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
16.11.99
I openly herein challenge you Paul Watson to meet in an open televised debate.
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
16.11.99
Captain Watson, I know for a fact that you have associated with David Barbaresh since as early as 1987, at times helping him raise criminal defense money for burning resturants. The ALF and Justice Department are violent terrorist organizations, just as the Sea Shepard is. You are absolutely one of the most dishonest people I have ever had the displeasure of facing. With most opponents I find something to admire and respect. With you all I find are lies upon lies upon lies. You state that there are no "proven" death threats---of course cowards such as yourself do things from the shadows and do not openly claim credit for them until you are long gone into the shadows again. Do you really think the FBI is going to tell you of all people how much evidence they have against you and your terrorist friends? Paul, YOU are what is being investigated. Get a grip on reality would you?
Captain Paul Watson
Paulwatson@earthlink.net
15.11.99
Jerry, We receive death threats all the time, especially from Norway, yet I would not call that violence initself. The fact is that there has not been a confirmed threat against the Makah. I have myself asked the FBI to investigate these alleged threats and they have found nothing substantial. The WCCA website has nothing to do with me but it in itself is also not violent. I am aware of a group called the Justice Department. Personally I think they are a bunch of agent provocateurs and I certainly do not support them but again, they have caused no violence to anyone. My message called for evidence of violence and no such evidence has been forth coming. By the way, check out the Sea Shepherd website again and you will see Sea Shepherd chat room in large letters.
Jerry Ellison
http://carnivoresunited.webjump.com
11.11.99
Sven:
You're a lucky man, few of us ever get a chance like that.
Svein Egil Solvang,
Eie, 4432 Hidrasund, Norway
11.11.99
In 1996 I spent 6 months in arctic-Canada, mainly on Broughton Island. My trip up north was a part of a research project I conducted in anthropology. My best memory goes back to Adamie Nookiguak, whomed I lived with for a long time. He showed me the Inuit way of life, and I am forever thankfull for this period of my life. I wonder what he is doing right now?
Jason Spaulding
drumcarrier@technologist.com
09.11.99
Dang, Paul, you won't answer my e-mail? So, somebody told me you hung out over here. Anyway, you are not correct when you say that your site has an open message board. I went over your SS site enough to encounter a 403. And you know I am familiar with your site, since I ripped the design off. Your flunky threatened to have me federally prosecuted for that, Paul -- whatever happened to that? CYA here or elsewhere... Happy trails to all.
Kii yaa tuk
howanji@sopris.net
06.11.99
To Paul Watson: I do not understand why you bring up such issues as science, culture, legalities, etc., when you agenda is to stop all whaling at anytime for for any reason by any one. Would truthfully stating that this is your agenda, regardless of anything anyone else could present to you to change your mind, undermine your ability to attract press attention and ultimately your source of funding?<p>I would think you could have avoided all the negative consequences you put so many people through if you would just be more open of your bottom line position and quit trying to find justification for such a closed mind.
Jerry Ellison
http://carnivoresunited.webjump.com
02.11.99
Dear Mr. Watson:
The Webpage for the group calling itself "WCCA" speaks for itself, too. You know the one with the name and picture of the Makah man with "Wanted For Murder" stamped across it as if it were a wanted poster. That's the same incitement to violence that anti-abortion extremists are charged with, except they aren't being prosecuted.
The Seattle Times has also had numerous articles reporting death threats, harassment, intimidation, and racial slurs suffered by the Makah, a teeny tiny tribe. For example see, Seattle Times, May 23, 1999 "Save a Whale, Harpoon a Makah." Sounds like a death threat to me!
What about the animal rights group "The Justice Department" who recently sent razor blade booby traps in the mail to scientists and furriers across the country?
Jared Lazzaro
jplazzar@colby.edu
01.11.99
I am a College student in Maine, USA, researching "Native Whaling Rights." I find this web site extremely helpful, and a great source of information. I will be focusing on the Makah whalers; any additional information or ideas that anyone may have would be a great help.
Many thanks!
Anders Jelmert
anders.jelmert@imr.no
31.10.99
Paul Watson, The 29.10.99 you responded with a complete evasion to Jerry Ellison's post regarding the alleged great profit from the grey whale hunt. One might wonder whom it is who "shoots from the hip"in this context. Oct. the 11. you responded (admittingly without checking) to mr x that the Sea-Shepherds had a guest-page where discussion could be made public, just like this forum. I have looked around at you web-page without much success. There was a promising "Site Map" which unfortunately just led to various other pages with "merchandise" and "send us money". So what about the "Feedback" page then? ....no, that was just a platform for contacting the SS, how to become a member($$), making a contribution ($$), equipment and services($$),buying clothes ($$) and lo and behold buiying books authored by you ($$). One could additionally request being put on a mailing list (and excuse me for suspecting: having quite a few ($$) related e-mails spilling into one's mailbox thereafter). Finally I tried the search engine on the page to no avail. Indeed there was a "chat room", but it did not respond to my trials to enter it. It was apparently only available at specific times, and there was nothing indicating that previous entries could be recovered like here. Apparently there is not anything resembling a public discussion forum at the SS site. Could you perhaps direct me to the relevant part of your own home-page and prove me wrong? Anders Jelmert
Christian Groger
cGroger@t-online.de
29.10.99
Was in yor office 1999 please answer my e Mail for today
Captain Paul Watson
Paulwatson@earthlink.net
29.10.99
Jerry, Your E-Mail address says it all. It is obvious from your message that you are the type of person who shoots from the hip without bothering to research what you are saying. The Makah have not received one proven death threat. The only violence is coming from the whalers. The anti-whaling movemnet has never caused a single injury in its long history. Go eat a whopper Jerry - you seem to be suffering from Mad cow disease.
Jerry Ellison
http://carnivoresunited.webjump.com
14.10.99
Dear Oceania:
Assuming for the sake of argument your conspiracy theory were true. How much $$$, as you put it, could the Makah possibly make from 2 whales, in relation to what it cost them to force the white man to live up to their treaty and in security from the constant death threats from "peaceloving" white, liberal hypocrites?
Myles Kroll
myles65@earthlink.net
14.10.99
I'm very interested about this Today's Whaling and Sealing in your country. I read about your organization, and wishes to correspond with lots of fine Whalers and make friends with, if any who knows English very well. i love to learn about this Today's Whaling in your country and beyond. If you can help me on this requests for me, I'll be so happy. I wish to join your organization and more. Ok. Thanks. Do a great job. Bye.
Captain Paul Watson
Paulwatson@earthlink.net
11.10.99
My dear Mr. X, Sea Shepherd does have a guest page where you can make comments. I seem to assume without checking. Please go to Seashepherd at Sea Shepherd.org for instructions on how to locate our news board
Dr G R Marvin
g.marvin@roehampton.ac.uk
06.10.99
Dear HNA
I am an anthropologist interested in animal/human relations and I have a sopecial interest in hunting. Your site is a fasacinating one. I am teaching a course on 'Animals, Culture and Society'. I really need something to engage the minds of students. Do you produce any videos about the issues you cover? Do you have any videos on indigeneous peoples and hunting. If you do I would be really be grateful if I could borry them. Best wishes
Garry
29-Sep-99
Oceanna, Artist, Canadian
osheanna@hotmail.com
I found the following information on the Sea Shepherd web page. I find it most interesting as it seems to me that the whole point of the Makah Indian tribe of Washington State resuming their whale hunt was to re-enact and continue their "proud traditions" and to keep their "heritage" alive. Surely their ancestors never hunted like this before!! What a scam....we all know the true reason for their resumed killing.....$$$$$, money they will make from selling the whale meat to Japan. To Captain Paul Watson and the Sea Shepherd Crew....keep up the excellent work of protecting the Ocean's creatures. It's people like you who give me hope for humanity ;)
Allen Ingling, DVM: Veterinary Pariah! An Editorial by Frank Trinkle
(Article deleted. Web editor)
27-Sep-99
Torben Krogh, University student, Danish
torbenkrogh@mail.tele.dk
thanks for all the good articles.
24-Sep-99
x, An educated idiot too, Norwegian
x
Hi mr. Doctor Captain Watson. Why does not your web page have such a guest page like this? You seems to like having discussions on the highnorths homepage. Why not “in your own home”?
22-Sep-99
Captain Paul Watson, Marine Wildlife Conservationist, Canadian and U.S.
Paulwatson@earthlink.net
The new edition of the Sea Shepherd Log is available this week. For further information contact Sea Shepherd at www.Seashepherd.org
21-Sep-99
Georg Blichfeldt, Student, Norwegian
geobli@trollnet.no
Dear Arnd Klinkhart,
to your entry in this guest book: You state that the HNA web site contains "a lot of wrong quotes and misinformation" and that it's info is "worthless and cannot be used for follow-ups." A strong claim. The editors of the page ought to be ashamed. That is - if your claim is true. As you have not brought forward any evidence it is not possible to make a judgement of your claim.
I am the former editor of the HNA web page. Most of the stuff present on the site today was published while I had this position. I stopped two and a half years ago. I took pride in trying to be correct when it comes to fact and fair when it comes to presenting views. If someone could document that the web site or other of the HNA publications contained misquoting or misleading information, I would correct it immediately. I hope - and anticipate - that the current editors have the same attitude. That said - it should be no secret to anyone that this web page is set up to defend the interest of coastal communities in sustainable whaling. It is indeed biased. But that is no excuse for not getting the facts right and quoting people correctly.
Therefor, please present your list of misquoting and misinformation.
Your title sounds like you work for some type organisation. If that is correct, I am curious to hear what organisation it is.
Georg Blichfeldt
17-Sep-99
John Kelsch, Webmaster, USA
webmaster@linkupalaska.com
Hi, I was here gathering links for my "Aboriginal Alaska" section of Linkup Alaska. www.linkupalaska.com I have added some of your links onto my site. Come explore Alaska, community by community!
17-Sep-99
Arnd Klinkhart, Media and Press liaison, German
arnd@klinkhart.de
Good site (technically), twisted facts. Following many of your news leads I have come across a lot of wrong quotes and misinformation. I doubt that this may bring your position very much forward in the future. If anything, please stick to the rules established for proper journalism. So far the info I gathered on your page is worthless and cannot be used for follow-ups. I doubt that on an international level you will be able to position yourselves amidst those who do regard the truth and do proper research.
Arnd Klinkhart, Hamburg, Germany
09-Sep-99
Pasi, Cry for the whales, Finn
pasisalo@usa.net
I´m very sorry to have a neighbour like Norway. Killing the whales is condemnable.
05-Sep-99
Arne Huse, Computer consultant, Norwegian
ahuse@online.no
I think this site is quite good at correcting a lot of anti-whaling propaganda, which has a lot to do about feelings and more seldom facts. Vegetarians do not eat whales, that is very understandable, but why have you other anti-whaling people chosen the whale as your holy cow? And why doesn't most of you dare to sign with an e-mail address? Are you mere spammers?
Arne Huse ahuse@online.no
01-Sep-99
chris, LABOR, bronin USA
chickenhunter@brig.com
it was very good and very long
21-Aug-99
Karen Ridderikhoff, student Antropology, Dutch
karen.ridderikhoff@student.uva.nl
I'm very happy to have found this side, trying to get informed about the whaling-discussion. I have found a lot of usefull information and I would like to add that I am glad to have found a side which is not only filled with one-sided information. It is very interesting to read some correspondation between organisations like Greenpeace and your association. Yours Sincerely, Karen Ridderikhoff
13-Aug-99
william c frovik, US POSTAL WORKER, nor
n0mnb@minn.net
WELL ITS SAD THAT GREEN PEACE HAS TO ENDANGER THE LIVES OF OTHERS. THAT GETS NO RESPECT FROM ME. SOME DAY THERE SHIP WILL SINK..
PS/ SAY HELLO TO RUNE
12-Aug-99
HIDEO KON, Office worker, JAPAN
1kon@ma.kew.net
27-Jul-99
Education for the Ignorant...yes that means you!!, teacher, the world
ed@hotmail.com
There is one thing missing from your site. All the arguments are about proud traditions and miss the essential point.....whales are endangered species. To quote a bunch of newage thinkers as offering reasons to save whales is a grossly neglegent disservice to the truth of the matter. Why not add some quotes from Farley Mowat, "Sea of Slaughter" and even from your arch-nemesis Paul Watson about the fact that several species of whales are near extinction. Sure the people need some traditions, but the whale is vanishing and the people's original tradition has gone from skin boats to boston whalers, and harpoons to assault rifles!
26-Jul-99
pouget gabriel, librarian/researcher, frenchj
astrid1789@hotmmail.com
i wwas very ploeased to discover youir site about conservation projects wildlife marine preservation etc . the studying of dolphins communications and llanguage can open great doors to the scientific community and to the ppeople at large soi as to protect endangered species , oujr quality of life and fragile ecosystem thanksd and looking forward hhearing fromyouè_ ggpouget
26-Jul-99
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From what I have seen of this site I am not impressed. To even consider killing a whale in these times is a true testimate to the pathetic state of humanity. I realize I am re-stating what many have said... but it obviously hasn't sunk in. I think its time to get with the 90's and practice some re-education to those who are raping our oceans. The seas and waterways belong to me also as a God given right and I think the practice of whaling is barbaric. It used to be traditional for men to throw virgins off into a volcano but lets face it times change and so must our way of making a living. Nuclear waste was a way of life in the 50's but haven't we learned from our own mistakes yet?
26-Jul-99
Chanelle moar and caroline white, Students, New zeland (english)
Chanelle_m@hotmsil.com
& prep_girl85@hotmail.com
Nothing for what i was looking for we wanted to know about dolphins rights
26-Jul-99
Jerry Ellison, animal rights group debunker, USA
http://carnivoresunited.webjump.com
What's pathetic is rich spoiled white liberal brats with a big allowance from Daddy that allows them to be free from working for a living and who are so craven about their so called beliefs they wont even make a noise unless anonymous or backed up with a horde to harass a bent, crooked, little old Indian fellow.
Skulking cowards walk the night like vampires, make threats to women and children, and put innocent human lives at risk. Have yourself a nice juicy steak, boy, you might get a little backbone!
26-Jul-99
Natalie, ., .
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Your site is one of the most dubious I have ever signed on to. Not only do you twist established scientific facts about whales (so who cares whether-or-not whales aren't monogamous? Most humans I know aren't either!) but you attempt to present an industry with a very dark history in a benign light. The slaughter of the various whale species during the past 100 years was as barbaric as it was greed induced. There was no sensible self-policing... whalers would kill calves to get to the mothers and pregnant females were slaughtered. Even today the whaling industry is a sham... what is a "scientific" hunt? Talk about "double talk" and trying to pull the wool over the public's eyes! The so-called scientific hunt is nothing more than a covert hunt for commerical gain, albeit on a smaller scale. Ice- landic whalers have been caught selling their takes from the so called scientific hunts to the Japanese, another country that is clearly in violation of the agreed upon conditions of the moritorium on hunting. DNA samples of whale meat on sale in Japan have revealed such forbidden species as the Blue and Humpback whales.
The reason why there should be no commercial whaling allowed is it is an industry that defies all regulations (when you're out in the middle of the Atlantic or deep in the Antartica, who's going to be around to catch you violating the rules?!). Further more, the whaling community has proven itself to be untrustworthy and solely motivated by greed. Why else are the world's whale populations so severely in danger?
Shame on you and your efforts to distort the facts and cover up the true dark history of whaling. I'm going to double my contribution to the Sea Shepard Society so they can sink the next Norwegian, Icelandic, or Japanese whaling ship that tries to murder an animal with intelligence that exceeds yours.
25-Jul-99
n/a, n/a, n/a
n/a
From what I have seen of this site I am not impressed. To even consider killing a whale in these times is a true testimate to the pathetic state of humanity. I realize I am re-stating what many have said... but it obviously hasn't sunk in. I think its time to get with the 90's and practice some re-education to those who are raping our oceans. The seas and waterways belong to me also as a God given right and I think the practice of whaling is barbaric. It used to be traditional for men to throw virgins off into a volcano but lets face it times change and so must our way of making a living. Nuclear waste was a way of life in the 50's but haven't we learned from our own mistakes yet?
25-Jul-99
Jerry Ellison, member of the cycle of life and death, USA
htt[://carnivoresunited.webjump.com
U.S. Delegation News Release
Contact: Scott Smullen FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE U.S. Delegation Room 10/23/97
WHALING COMMISSION APPROVES COMBINED RUSSIAN - MAKAH GRAY WHALE QUOTA RUSSIAN - ALASKAN NATIVE BOWHEAD QUOTA ALSO APPROVED
MONACO -- The International Whaling Commission today adopted a quota that allows a five-year aboriginal subsistence hunt of an average of four non-endangered gray whales a year for the Makah Indian Tribe, combined with an average annual harvest of 120 gray whales by Russian natives of the Chukotka region.
24-Jul-99
Jerry Ellison, natural meat eater who learns about animal world o, USA
http://carnivoresunited.webjump.com
Struggle on against the ethnocentric, self-described animal rights terrorists, brothers across the ocean...
http://carnivoresunited.webjump.com
20-Jul-99
Espen Monsen, Media, Norwegian
emonsen@online.no
I love whales, especially medium rare pieces of it on my plate.
12-Jul-99
Art Jennings, Web Site Management and Development, U.S.A.
Artsher@gte.net
To kill the whales for makeup, sex therapy durgs, fuel, etc. is just WRONG!!! Does killing the mammals make a personfeel cool? What's UP?
!!! STOP THE KILLING FOREVER !!!
12-Jul-99
My name is none of your business Georg, My name is none of your business Georg, My
name is none of your business Georg
My name is none of
your business Georg
Hey Georg!!! How come you also are repeating your messages? Uncertain about your arguments perhaps...hmmmm? And so what if people dont want to use their names, does that make their points any less valid? I think not...murder is still murder!
12-Jul-99
my name is to hard to pronounce ?, student, Norwegian
hotmail.is.kind.of.inaccessible@yeah.dude
I wonder if an anti personell mines and bear traps are non-voilent? Greepeace would maybe classify them as that or what? From spøk til side.....I'm glad someone is watching out so that we don't get back to that Antarctic over-whaling business done by hunters from the USA, Soviet Union and Norway. When these "watchdogs" get so extremely frantic about it, it could hurt their cause in some ways; the same goes for those Norwegian who made phone-treaths against Odd Lindberg's family and scared Paul Watson, Birgitte Bardot and co.
Meat and blubber is the most important product of Minke whale catching.(As well as mostly bad PR!)
Food is murder! (Except plastic and synthetic food, and that's poison.)
11-Jul-99
Georg Blichfeldt, Student, Norwegian
geobli@trollnet.no
Dear X,X,X and /, /, / and ?,?,? and tisk,tisk and whoever and Jonas at the adress humans@stupid.com and all the other contributors that prefer to be anonymous.
Why don't you present your curses of whaling and whalers at this guest book under full name? Are you ashamed of the tone and language of your messages? And why do you have to repeat your messages several times? If your uncertain of the quality of your arguments, I can assure you that it does not gain strength from beeing repeated.
I do believe that the guestbook of the High North Alliance could serve as an interesting and valuable arena for the exchange of opions on whales on whaling. You don't contribute to that by asking other people to drown themselves or to fill up the space of discussion with lengthly and repeated messages.
02-Jul-99
MYOB, MYOB, MYOB
MYOB
In reply to Michael McNeils comment....What makes you think that those of us who are opposed to the murder of whales eat cows, chickens and other animals? Kind of arrogant of you to assume that! I don't believe anyone should be killing the whales and I also don't eat meat, some of us do have moral ethics on a consistent basis.
30-Jun-99
michael McNeill, teachers, Australian
tpk@hotmail.com
Very good site. What interests me most are the views of 'anti whalers'. I'd say happy to eat beef and lamb or chickens fed on dead chickens, or lands cleared for agriculture yet get emotional when it comes to marine mammals.
Keep whaling Norway and hopefully you can soon trade the blubber to those who desire it.
Whales are animals just like any other. michael McNeill
27-Jun-99
Molly, Teacher, Canadian
oldtoad@emirates.net.ae
Boy! Does your site ever hit buttons! I read a lot of your mail. People DO get upset. Generally, I would say that whales should not be hunted because we can manage without them for meat or blubber or whatever. If native peoples want to hunt them then it would probably be best done in the traditional way, say with a hand-held harpoon and seal stomach air bladder tied to a gut rope. That's my feeling. I'm not against hunting 100%. I just think that if traditions are to be kept alive then it should be traditionally done. ARE you funded by Norway? Or by the pro-commercial hunting people? I found your quizzes interesting. Are they factual? It seems to me that if traditional hunting methods are used the hardships are so great that only a few people would be brave enough to go out whaling, not very many whales would be harvested yearly, and greed caused by high money stakes would be somewhat curtailed. Also I think that whaling should be done with native people in charge, with a yearly quota, and if natives want to sell their licence to the highest bidder, so be it. And no licence should be used except with a native in the boat, canoe, whatever. At least that way the money be kept in the native communities. Of course even that sort of restriction would be corrupted eventually. There's plenty of unscrupulous people to go around, in this world. I do not believe that indigenous peoples should be deprived of their traditional hunts, etc. by the non-indigenous people. But Africa is a case in point where the unscrupulous and the war-mongering types have prevailed and native hunting IS destroying species. This isn't an easy question.
24-Jun-99
Captain Paul Watson, Marine Wildlife Conservationist, Canadian
PaulWatson@earthlink.net
I was wondering how whalers and Norwegians who eat whale meat who call themselves Christians can reconcile their beliefs with this excerpt from the Old Testamant Book of Leviticus Of all the creatures living in the water of the seas and the streams, you may eat any that have fins AND scales. But all creatures in the seas or streams that do not have fins AND scales-whether among all the swarming things or among all the other living creatures in the water, you are to detest. And since you are to detest them, you must not eat their meat and you must detest their carcasses. Anything living in the water that does not have fins and scales is to be detestable to you. Leviticus 11:9-12
22-Jun-99
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I always thought that free speach was a great thing....until I read your site. It doesnt seem right that you should be able to spread such lies!!!!
21-Jun-99
Jonas, ...., ....
humans@stupid.com
Hard to believe there are still neandrathal types like you in existence!!! Garbage from garbage, what else could we expect!!
21-Jun-99
Natailya, living, Atlantic Ocean
do the gene
pool a favour, drown yourselves!
I find it totally amazing that you claim sustainable hunting as excuse to murder creatures that are already endangered.....boy are you guys ever stupid, stupid stupid!!!!! I didn't think such stupidity was possible..do the gene pool a big favour and go drown yourselves!!!
19-Jun-99
Moby Dick, swimming, ****
whale@bluesea.com
What an incredibly awful site you have here!!! Nothing but lies and greed, however, what goes around comes around so you'd better watch out next time your out hunting me. I may just be hunting you!!! Bottoms up!
19-Jun-99
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This site is full of crap! You fail to prove your (weak) points about the sustainability of whaling. Large mammals have been hunted to extinction in the wild on land and sea. What makes you beleive that you can continue this activity without negatively affecting the environment? It's amazing. I understand you even receive money from the Norwegian state. To run a propaganda war in favour of killing intelligent mammals. I just wonder, how can you guys look yourself in the eyes every morning? If I wasn't already a member, I'd join the Sea Shepherds right now.
19-Jun-99
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This is one of the worst sites on the www! What a bunch of lies...how can you live with yourselves??? promoting such trash????
19-Jun-99
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I see very little about conservation, only the type of unsubstanciated and false claims of how you plan to benefit the whales that hunters use all over the world to justify their combination of pleasure with butchery.
19-Jun-99
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If you would like to view a site with some integrity then check out anti-whaling.com !
19-Jun-99
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There is one thing missing from your site. All the arguments are about proud traditions and miss the essential point.....whales are endangered species. To quote a bunch of newage thinkers as offering reasons to save whales is a grossly neglegent disservice to the truth of the matter. Why not add some quotes from Farley Mowat, "Sea of Slaughter" and even from your arch-nemesis Paul Watson about the fact that several species of whales are near extinction. Sure the people need some traditions, but the whale is vanishing and the people's original tradition has gone from skin boats to boston whalers, and harpoons to assault rifles!
13-Jun-99
Captain Paul Watson, Marine Wildlife Conservationist, Canadian/American
paulwatson@earthlink.net
Dear Georg, i have advised my office to send you a copy of the letter you requested. It was signed by the Secretary of the IWC Ray Gambell.
11-Jun-99
Georg Blichfeldt, student, Norwegian
geobli@trollnet.no
Dear Mr Watson,
you stated in a former entry in this guestbook that you have a letter from the IWC that states, “the IWC has specifically not passed a judgement on recognizing or otherwise the claim by the Makah tribe.” It would be very interesting to see this letter i full text and also to know who signed it. Could you please mail it to me or may best, put it up here in the guestbook. Georg Blichfeldt
10-Jun-99
Captain Paul Watson, Marine Wildlife Conservationist, Canadian/U.S.
Paulwatson@earthlink.net
Statement on the Makah Whale Hunt
By Captain Paul Watson Founder & President Sea Shepherd Conservation Society June 9, 1999
The debate over Makah whaling seems to have degenerated into emotional rants over political correctness and unfounded accusations of racism. To the media, it has become a cowboys and Indians drama, with one columnist after another mounting the high horse of morality to wag fingers at those “eco-terrorist, animal rights fanatics” who they suggest are really motivated by “racism and white supremacist attitudes.” One politically correct stalwart supporter of the Makah, recently told me that if I was anti-whaling then I was anti-Makah, and if I was anti-Makah, I was anti-Indian, and thus the very position of opposing whaling is a racist attitude. The fact is that I am anti-whaling AND I am not anti-Makah. The fact is that there are Makah tribal members and Elders who are supporters of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society. The fact is that I have a long personal history of defending Native American rights. The fact is that I have Native American crewmembers that oppose Makah whaling. The opposition of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society and myself is really very simple to understand. We really have only one simple request. Since October 1, 1998, I have told the Makah Whaling Commission that we will stop all opposition to this whale hunt if they could produce for us - a letter or a document that states that the Makah whale hunt has been approved as a legitimate aboriginal hunt under the rules of the International Whaling Commission (IWC). To date, I have not seen such a letter. On the contrary, I have a letter from the IWC that states, “the IWC has specifically not passed a judgement on recognizing or otherwise the claim by the Makah tribe.” At the May 1999 meeting of the IWC held in Grenada, the Makah again did not win the approval to kill whales. The IWC is the only international regulatory body with the authority to regulate international whaling as defined by International Conservation Law. This is the law accepted by the United States as a signatory member. As of May 17, 1999, the day the first whale was killed, the United States joined Japan and Norway in the fraternity of pirate whaling nations. With the hypocrisy of the United States exposed, Japan immediately announced they would go ahead with a “traditional” whale hunt on the Japanese coast. Norway announced an increase in their already illegal coastal quota and the Nuu-chah-nulth people of Vancouver Island announced that they want to begin a “cultural hunt”.
The Sea Shepherd Conservation Society predicted that this expansion of whaling for “cultural necessity” would be the consequence of a Makah kill, and this prediction became reality within days of the slaughter. We now predict that this politically correct maneuver, instigated by the Japanese whaling lobby will escalate into “cultural” hunts in Peru, the Caribbean, Korea, Vietnam, Russia, Iceland, Greenland, and other nations, all eager to sell whale meat to the Japanese. I have fought whaling aggressively since 1974. I have watched since 1992 as the Japanese approached indigenous communities with offers to support a revival of cultural whaling. I have documents obtained from the Federal government that demonstrate a commercial interest by the Makah in a Japanese market. It appears that the Japanese have now turned the tables on us and amazingly they have manipulated the United States into becoming a whaling nation. Furthermore, utilizing the realpolitik of political correctness, the Japanese have managed to divide the conservation movement by making whaling a cultural right rather than an economic venture. I have another prediction: Watch the money. Look for the Makah to add Minke whale, dolphins, and porpoise to their list of prey. A Minke whale is worth a half a million dollars or more in Japan. Look for a weakening of CITES restrictions on trading whale meat, and look for evidence of smuggling activities to Vancouver Island or directly to Japanese vessels at sea. The sale of whale meat to Japan from Norway is illegal, but contraband shipments have been intercepted. DNA analysis of whale meat purchased randomly in Japanese supermarkets has revealed obviously smuggled North Atlantic Minke, and protected species like Humpback, Fin, Blue, Belugas, and even Orca. The Sea Shepherd Conservation Society is an international marine wildlife conservation organization. We would not invest our time and resources on actively opposing Makah whaling unless we had reason to believe that this hunt has international consequences and will have a profound impact on whale species and numbers worldwide. Accusations of racism and “cultural insensitivity” cannot detract from the simple fact that this hunt is illegal under international conservation law and as such we must oppose it. To ignore it would not only be irresponsible to our commitment to conservation under the United Nations World Charter for Nature; it would in fact be racist. It would be racist for us to oppose Japanese and Norwegian violations of the IWC regulations and at the same time ignore the same violations by the Makah tribe and the United States. Consistency means enjoying support for doing what is right by doing the right thing when it is popular to do so, and suffering opposition for doing what is right when it is unpopular to do so. We will withdraw from opposing the Makah whale hunt when, and only when, the Makah whalers comply with international conservation law, or if the International Whaling Commission approves this hunt by the required three-quarters vote of the member nations of the IWC. We are not demanding anything very radical here. We are simply requesting that the Makah stop whaling, or produce a letter of approval of their aboriginal subsistence need to go whaling, as required under U.S. law, from the only international organization empowered to give that approval – the IWC.
09-Jun-99
Megan, Student and part time Stripper, Australian
funkygirl777@chickmail.com
I thought this web page was very interesting and informative. I was most impressed with the facts that your page had to offer and all the pictures and information.
I'd also like to say hi to Larney, Briony, Naomi, Alana, Sarah, Sally, Andrew and Kellie.
Well this site is great! 5 Stars! *****
09-Jun-99
peter penut pumpkin eater, nuclear physist, russian
frankfurt@penutgallery.gov.au
NUKE THE WHALES!~!!!!!
Just jokin.......sav the radical whales and seals and fish and dolphin and every other radical creature god has created!!!
09-Jun-99
corn, ex-korean wrestler, I'm from jamaca
cornbag@hotmail.com.au
well u know........ i suppose it was all right
09-Jun-99
Naomi, Student, Exoctic Dancer, Australian
supachick@bigfoot.com
This site is very informative and covers every aspect of effective learning. It allows both childern and adults to challange to their opinions towards whaling and offer them new information. Congrats
07-Jun-99
samone black, student, australia
samonesaddress@yahoo.com.au
whaling is wrong!!!!!!1 as well as cruel
07-Jun-99
Camilla Morris, student, Australia
syskik_chik@hotmail.com
Great
01-Jun-99
Amalie Jessen, Pro-user - Wildlife manager in Greenland, Greenlandish
amalie@gh.gl
First and foremost, congratulations to the Makah indians in Neah Bay for the succeeded gray whale hunting! Best wishes in the future, too, - good hunt!
Thanks to "Sassuma Arnaa" (Mother of the Sea) that the Annual Meeting of the International Whaling Commission is over now. The meeting once again showed that IWC as an international organisation is facing the end, if some of the members countries does not recognise the main purpose of the IWC according to the convention. Very little or not at all development in the organisation has been gained, postponements on main issues were decisions, and unfair requests on that and these to the Aboriginal Subsistence Whalers that goes beyond common sence, yes even no care of the safety of the whalers are considered by some delegations. Of of the request is that the whalers should jump to the water to check if the whale is unconscious after a hit! The greenies are only thinking of the Oohh so beautiful and clever animals. The whale meat, blubber and the skin and other products from whales are very healthy to those who eats them, like us people from Greenland. We have done that for thousands of years. Eating the blubber will give you good mood, maybe we should encourage some ignorant people within some of the greenies to eat whale blubber, so they could show up in better moods at the IWC meetings. Of course the whales are beautiful creatures, as is the raven, the cod, snakes. Pro-users likes also to watch the world animals. But many of them are our food. Some people, especially persons involved in NGO´s have very little or not understanding or respect that some people use wildlife as their food. There is no other alternatives.
Many industrialised countries like US, UK, Netherland, Australia, New Zealand, Germany,Sweden are producers of pollution in the air and the sea, which is the biggest threat to the living resources, including men. The whales and seals are predators and eating our fish, they eat much more fish and other sea life than we ever can do. Think about it before you are misleaded by misinformations from some of the NGO´s (like IFAW, The Swiss Coalition for the Protection of Whales, Greenpeace, EIA).
01-Jun-99
James R. Sullivan, Retired from Seismic Exploration, American
ra54140534@aol.com
For approximately 250 years many American Indians were considered to be savages. Now, dear people, thanks to the Makahs, you know why!
28-May-99
Tirzo Beltran, Diplomatic, Mexican
tirzobelt@yahoo.com
Forever I love de Whales. I bealive is too important we continue with preservation the whales y a humanitary commentment.
Tirzo Beltran
28-May-99
Simon Ward, Writer, UK
s.ward@pacific.net.ph
Dear "friend of Paul Watson's", Every time I post a message here, it appears instantaneously. I don't believe HNA practices censorship. You probably just hit the wrong keys :-)
28-May-99
A friend of Paul Watson's, Providing the truth, who cares?
NoCensorship.com
So you decided NOT to post my recent entry? So the High Seas alliance is into censorship?
25-May-99
Ed, Student, North American
edwafor@regent.edu
Congratulations to the Makah on the successful whale hunt. The US has broken enough treaties with its indigenous population, and it would be pointless to break this one. Wish for many more successful hunts in the future... Ed
23-May-99
Susan, Physical Therapist, USA
DynaQuestPT@BigFoot.com
Congratulations on a successful hunt. Whaling was a right retained by the Makahs when they gave up many other rights in order to have perpetual peace with the United States. It does not matter whether one approves of whaling or not. It is the perpetual right of the Makah tribe. Nothing in the treaty prevents use of modern technology. Those protesting and threatening the lives of the Makahs ought to be ashamed.
21-May-99
COSTE Jean-Michel, Ingenior R&D in biotechnology - New Dad, French
coste@arpb.univ-montp2.fr
Don't think about yourself....think about whales 's life, think about your children , and what you'll be able to offer them when there'll be nothing. We are all responsible...
21-May-99
seamus kennedy, environmental scientist, australian
s_pk@hotmail.com
Congratulations to the Makah for the sustainable use of their renewable resources, and for up holding the traditions of their ancestors. Is it better to burn the bush, clear the land of its small, ugly, unsexy, flora and fauna, drain the wetlands,plant exotic grasses which invade the native biodiversity to raise sheep and cattle so city folk can eat their meat or sustainably hunt renewable resources?
Good luck for the next hunt and best wishes for a very successful whaling season in Norway.
20-May-99
son of a pioneer, technician, later day american
lazydog@silcon.com
My decendents came to this country and helped to settle the wild west.So...in order to celebrate my hitorical traditions...I should go out and harvest some indians...right?
20-May-99
Simon Ward, Writer, UK
s.ward@pacific.net.ph
To all of you whalers in Grenada: the Makah have done the Earth a great service by placing the sound principle of sustainable use ahead of romantic notions about whales as "humans of the sea". You will doubtless also recall the way in which the whale huggers jeered in our faces when the illegal Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary was implemented. Now they are on the run again, but resist the temptation to jeer back. Some day, the great grandchildren of Chris Trout (WDCS), Allan Thornton (EIA), Capt. Prof. Paul Watson (Sea Shepherd Terrorist Society), and Dave McTaggart (Greenpeace Money Launderers Inc.) will be thankful people stopped listening to their demented grandparents.
Good luck in Grenada.
19-May-99
Kristen, University Student, American
kvernon@hotmail.com
I am shocked that our government would alow this senseless killing to take place. In my opinion, the Makah Indians have NO right to kill any whales. They claim that it is their "abouriginal right" however, how can destroying one of natures most intelligent and limited members be deemed a "right"? Their actions disgust me. I honestly believe that these tragic killings are in part done in spite, perhapes Makah, or those who participate in general, believe that they are in some way getting back at society for the way their ancestors were treated nearly a century ago. By destroyting the limited amount of whales that are left in our planet, they are also destroying a part of our world, one in which the Makah's actions are strongly opposed. The grey whales brain is six times larger than the human brain. What gratitude can the Makah derirve from killing a mammel whose intellect far surpasses their own? Think of the pain they must feel as they are killed. They are intelluctually able to comprehend what is being done to them as they die. This awareness only makes their suffering worse. Something must be done to put an end to this sensless attack in mankind. How can something so tragically wrong be permitted to carry on in the eyes of our society? Furthermore, How can we put an end to this, immeadiately?
19-May-99
Ellen, Ellen, Norsk
ehenniss@online.no
Fine!
Have a nice day!
Ellen
18-May-99
Marty Mannason, sales, caucasion
MMMannason@webtv.net
These are very intelligent gentle creatures. They are Monogomous and have done nothing to deserve this kind o cruelty. I used to feel sorry for the indians but after this decision to harpoon our friends in the ocean,my feelings are not the same
13-May-99
Helge Nielsen, operating as/400, German
Helge.Nielsen@t-online.de
you've an very interesting site and I like it, so I came back in 14 days times
04-May-99
Vic Bonds, Free lance writer, American
clogan@inreach.com
excellent site, very infomitive, I am glad to see an orginization that is a proponent of cosumptive sustainable use.
03-May-99
Michael Chartier, Student, Canadian
achartier@sk.sympatico.ca
02-May-99
Inumiaq, Biologist, Canadian
inumiaq@hunting.com
This is an excellent site and very well done. It helps to keep me up to date on marine mammal news and issues. As for the next to useless and non-credible IWC, about to meet in the Caribbean, I think they should give up their fruitless pursuits. It is clear that most members are very out-of -touch with nature and only grounded in their own bizarre self-serving realities. Kudos to their Scientific Committee who in vain and with dedication and honesty every year report their updates and findings to their blinkered mandarinic decision-makers. We all know that if the IWC is to get back to its real mandate, there have to be some fundamental changes made, and I feel that the IWC could start to regain its credibility if it began to hold its meetings in Tromso, or Osaka, or Point Barrow, or Pangnirtung, or Anadyr, or Reykjavik, or Nuuk, rather than seeking out fun-in-the-sun holiday spots for its annual charade.
Best wishes and peace to everybody who accesses this site.
Inumiaq (a proponent of wild marine mammal consumptive utilisation by people who live by and from the sea)
01-May-99
a friend of flood valves, kicking people like you, international
animapeace«aol.com
Hello ,
slowly i take my monkeywrech and pull the srew of the flood valve of on vessle in Reine, slowly water is pouring into your engine room. Oh, my god, the water destroid your whole electric system. It`s a pity. Everx whaler will be destroid. And you fucking bastards , should visit your ship on the ground of the ocean, without dive gear.
Revenge for every dead whale,
We will succed you will loose!!!
one of the tourists this year. Have fun to find me!
17-Apr-99
Karla, student , American
kmcornej@uci.edu
Thank you very much for your information. I am a student at the University of California and I had the chance to visit the most beautiful country in the world, Norway . I think !!!. I was very impressed and now I am wrinting a research paper on Whaling in Norway. I have found lots of information and If there are Norwegians willing to contact me at this e-mail and give me some of their personal input about it, I would appreciate greatly. I am working on this paper for about 10 weeks so any info will be greatly appreciated. Tusen Tack Karla
05-Apr-99
Larry T Warde, Student @ Northern Lights College, Land Resource M, Canadian
lwarde@awink.com
I am doing a paper in my "Treaty and Aboriginal Rights" course. I have chosen the subject of the "Makah's of Neah Bay,"and their apparent traditional treaty right to "hunt and kill" for ceremonial and subsistance purposes, "The Grey Whale." I must say that from my perspective I have a biased opinion about this proposed hunt. Namely it should not be allowed. As I read more and more of the articles, I find that my opinion does not change, then again I used to hunt but I don't anymore. This I believe, is because I just don't feel right about it. In my paper I will put forward the Makah's position, and I will be as open as possible. If there is anyone who wishes to respond directly from the Makah,s of Neah Bay. Thanks.
01-Apr-99
Chris Reinert, IT Professional, Norwegian/American
chris@online.no
Enjoyable and balanced arguments. A good use of HTML.
30-Mar-99
katie keys, student, american
Jkeys@unl.com
I think that whaling is wrong because the whales have their own families that go around together. Killing one of the members of their family would be like killing one of the whalers family members. It's not like whales are in abudance, they really aren't. It's not like cows where we raise them for food. whales have their own lives we shouldn't interfer with that.
29-Mar-99
Darren Ferguson, Student, Canadian
darrenfergy@hotmail.com
I am a student in a Fish & Willife program at the British Columbia Institute of technology. I have not got a chance to read through the whole thing, but it has the right direction. I am interested in this field, and was wondering where I could find out more information, on what is being done, what has been done, and how I could get involved, possibly for summer work etc. Would appreciate feed back if someone can help!
29-Mar-99
b. bearfood bechter, MultiVision-Producer, austrian, maybe in the future a
norwegian??
bearfood@globalance.com
Hey HIGH NORTH ALL., only a few weeks left till to the IWC Meeting 1999. Will we see us again? It was a long and dark (polarnight in a kayak) way, to come close to Grenada. I hope youu`ll think more and more about, saving a lot of wasted taxmoney from the norwegians, stop the useless (o.k., the blackmarket to japan brings you lots of $`s) industirell whaling and start up with whalewatching. A lot of norwegian could make better and easier money and you would help `save the whales`. ...more and more norwegians don`t like the whaling anymore. It`s time for a change. Or can`t vikings tell the world: "Ey, sorry. O.K., we did mistakes and we try to do it better now!". See u, Bearnie
06-Mar-99
Fredrik, individualist, Norsk
mrmouse@innocent.com
More questions and comments Fredrik I do regularily answer criticism on the guest book pages of the High North Alliance, the website for the Norwegian whalers. If you wish to ask me questions there, I will reply.
Dear captain Watson.
Im sure I know your answer to this one, but just out of curiosity; -what do you think the high north web-site? Does it serve as a place of information, or is it pure propaganda. -In wich case why? (misguiding , selfserving do they use real facts or do they lie openly? )
What makes you say that Norwegian whaling are «illegal» today ? Would Canadian or US whaling be illegal to, or would it be OK when the world police «itself» said it was OK ? (Im serious)
Question # 1: When and in which context did Bastesen threaten to kill you? Answer: January 5th 1993 according to my phone records and tapes. Mr. Bastesen called me at our office and identified himself and said that if I ever return to Norway that he would personally "blow my F**king head off." This threat was reported in the Norwegian media at the time. I did not take the threat that seriously until Bastesen was elected as a Member of Parliament. It puts a completely different light on a threat when the person delivering it is in a position of power. Has Bastesen ever confirmed these «treats» officially or has he claimed that it was not him, or that he did not mean it seriously etc. ??
I think the fact that he is in such a position, shows you the quite opposite.
Question #2 Did I fear for my life if imprisoned in Norway? Answer: Absolutely. First because of Bastesen.
Because of Bastesen? I promise you! You have NOTHING to fear from Bastesen exept from his big mouth. You are not unfamiliar with that description either, so I should think you of all would understand that. Even if Bastesen were that eager to get rid of you, he would not be that stupid. Im a 100% certain of that.
Lindberg also had his property vandalized and his life threatened.
Linberg was recently seen walking around in the «eagles nest» Tromsø, he was even interwied on TV. Some patted him on his back and some claimed that they wanted to throw him in the sea! Wich not even fragile Lindberg from the south of norway, close to the swedish border took seriously. (mentality)
Fourthly, the Lofoten police had refused to provide police protection for me when I had previously offered to return for a trial.
To me that is an indication that they thought you had nothing to fear, it would be their downfall if they was wrong. And who would know that better than them?
Fifthly, I was advised by representatives of my government that there was serious cause for concern about my safety in Norway.
Well, theyd know........
Finally, in 1994 when I took my ship up to Norway, we were fired upon, my ship was rammed and depth charged and all the crew including the media on board expressed concern for their lives and welfare.
Depth charges are used to bring illegal submarines to the surface, if you were above water you certainly had nothing to fear from that.
As for respect in Norway, we do have over three hundred supporters in Norway and I did not lose a one due to these statements.
Any Norwegian sea-sheperd supporter living in norway would be so for life....
I think that we were being very realistic in considering the legitimacy of these threats. May-be you thought so at the time? I just find it hard to believe that you still think you were right!
Mr Watson. Im not sure if you really care, but I think you should regard the norwegian mentality a little more before you accuse the (todays) whalers for greed. There is of course no such thing as one simple norwegian mentality, but you should know that this is not part of their «bad guy» image.
Fredrik
02-Mar-99
Walter Parsons, Engineer, Canadian
wparsons@sympatico.ca
Excellent site! I was happy to see a web site and an organization that presents the views and way of life of many people in the North Atlantic region. I support your cause 100% and can assure you that there are many other Newfoundlanders and Canadians who share this view.
22-Feb-99
Lionfish, 013, Earth
OF007
If the weather is sunny, the crow will whistle and the dog will bark. The cat will sleep on Sunday.
22-Feb-99
Rune Gullbekkhei, Tecnician, N
runemg@online.no
20-Feb-99
Lark Ritchie, Systems Analyst, Hunting Guide, Status Native, Cree, Canadian
ontguide@ntl.sympatico.ca
The closing of Ontario’s spring season has generated a lot of discussion and thinking. Sadly much discussion lacks sound grounding in facts.
I would invite you to visit this site described below to consider some additional thoughts before coming to conclusions and rash statements.
http://www.geocities.com:80/Athens/2921/projfridayERB.html
ullia href="http://www.geocities.com:80/Athens/2921/projfridayERB.html"Bear Info for Critical Thinkers/a/ul
Thank you for your diligence, and the search for truth during your discussions.
Lark Ritchie A Native Canadian Chapleau Cree First Nation
Posted by a href="mailto:ontguide@ntl.sympatico.ca"Lark Ritchie/a on February 20, 1999:p
11-Feb-99
Monkey, student, USA
daddyhatred@yahoo.com
I was looking in this site and I thought that this was the biggest pile of scrap site I have ever seen. I hate you bastards and I think you all who wrote this site are on crack. Phuck you all!
05-Feb-99
Kiera, Student, American
rangerover37@hotmail.com
I really enjoyed this site, and plan on using some of the information I found for a presentation on whaling. Thanks.
24-Jan-99
Gustavo Loustaunau, Seafood, Mexican
gloustaunau@yahoo.com
I found out about this page on the Mexican Marine Mammals Asoc. web page www.somemma.org, it is posted both in English and Spanish. Check it out! The gray whale is an example of a recovery of a whale population by stopping it´s hunting. I have mixed feelings about whale hunting, because I believe in a sustainable hunting, the populations of many whales have been depleted to very low numbers from their original populations. But could it be that the growing numbers of minke whales are competing for food with the bigger whales and making it harder for them to reproduce?. If more minkes are hunted could it help the bigger whales?
23-Jan-99
Erwin Quinonez, teacher, us
equinonez1@yahoo.com
Iam 100% with you
18-Jan-99
Captain Paul Watson, Wildlife Conservationist, Canadian
paulwatson@earthlink.net
The Makah, The Shepherd, The Viking, and the Samurai (With apologies to Lewis Carroll)
By Captain Paul Watson
The Shepherd shone upon the sea, Painted with whales so bright, She did her very best to make Her cause both smooth and right, And this was odd, because it was Politic’lly un-right.
The Makah complained sulkily, They thought the Shep for one, Had got no business to be there After the deal was done. “It’s very rude of them,” they said, “To come and spoil the fun.”
Their sea was wet as wet could be, Their clear-cut dry as dry. You could not see a cloud because No cloud was in the sky: No birds were flying overhead-- There were no birds to fly.
The Viking and the Samurai Walked there at Neah Bay; They wept like anything to see A haven for the Gray. To break the rules and kill them all, Gladly would we pay.”
“If seven whalers and their guns shot whales for half a year, do you suppose,” The Viking said, “That they could wipe them clear?” “I hope so,” said the Samurai, And licked his lips with cheer.
“O Whales, come and talk with us!” The Makah did beseech. “A pleasant walk, a pleasant talk, Here on the briny beach: We can’t go out to you, at least ‘twixt Shepherd and the beach.”
An Elder Makah looked at him, But ne’er a word she said: She cried, she wept most sorrowfully And shook her thoughtful head t’was surely true that she would choose the whale should live instead.
But four young whales would follow them, And in a year, four more. Then around the world, thick and fast, More than a thousand score All bleeding through the frothy waves, Then butchered on the shore.
Makah, Viking, and Samurai Walked on a mile or so, And then they rested on a rock Conveniently low: While by the beach the young whales swam Their great hearts pumping slow.
“The time has come,” the whalers said, “To talk and dance and sing Of guns, harpoons and mighty ships Of p.r. happenings Of treaty rights and how we know The hunt is now the thing.”
“But wait a bit,” the whalers said “Before we tackle that For some of us are our of breath, And all of us are fat!” “Don’t stall, don’t wait,” the press then cried “We’re here to film the act.”
“A mighty gun,” the Makah said, “Is what the chief does need. Tradition and Technology Are very good indeed. Now if you’re ready, Gray whales, dear, We can begin to feed.”
“But not on them!” the Shepherds cried, and oh they meant it too “After years of kindness, that’ld be A dismal thing to do!” The whale is a fine sight,” Proclaimed the Shepherd crew.
The whales said, “kind of you to come!” These whalers aren’t so nice!” The Samurai said little else “But I’ll take mine on ice Your blubber I’ll cut from you To place upon my rice.”
“It seems a shame,” the Makah said. To play them such a trick. After we’ve conned our Uncle Sam: Made NOAA trot so quick!” The Viking chanted nothing but “Just spread the bullshit thick!”
“I weep for you,” the Makh said: “I deeply sympathize.” With sobs and tears he stabbed and shot Those of the largest size Holding his pocket-handkerchief Before his streaming eyes.
“O whales,” said the Samurai “You’ve had a pleasant run! Shall we be swimming home again?” But answer came there none-- And this was scarely odd, because They’d eaten every one.
14-Jan-99
noyb, noyb, noyb
noyb
DISGUSTING LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
14-Jan-99
Morten Olsen, Software Engineer, Norwegian
molsen@slb.com
High North Alliance does a fantastic job! Thank you!
I have discussed whaling with a lot of people for several years. If they are not vegeterians, they usually agree that hunting in general is ok, if the species are not threatened. But, they don't like it. But is meat from farm animals better than wild animals? When a farm and a wild animal is killed, which one has had the best life?
I have picked a lot of objective arguments from this site, and I subscribe to HNWNews. Keep up your brilliant work!
14-Jan-99
agj, student, norwegian
agj
great!
11-Jan-99
Knut Skoglund, Filmskaper, Nordnorsk
knut.skoglund@originalfilm.no
Nå er også jeg på nettet. Har vært inne og sett, veldig bra!Kanksje vi kunne ha fått inn filmen på "shop" - siden? Ringer senere og snakker om dette og mere.
Knut
05-Jan-99
Captain Paul Watson, Conservationist, Canadian
PaulWatson@earthlink.net
To all the people at High North, the Norwegian whalers and the Norwegian government. I do believe it's time to rev up the old publicity machine about your on-going illegal whaling activities. Stay tuned.
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